Media request — Cross, Julie <julie.cross@news.com.au> to media (Wednesday, 5 March 2025 10:33 AM)

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From: Cross, Julie julie.cross@news.com.au Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2025 10:33 AM To: media Subject: Media request

Categories: Ben, Active Media Enquiry

Hello,

I am looking for a comment about the rate of decision changes at tribunal - up from 58% to 70% in the last few years. The NDIA also spent $37m on legal firms representing the agency at tribunals in 2023-2024. Can you explain why so many original decisions by agency staff are wrong and have to be reversed/changed at tribunal? Why are these “negotiations” between the agency and participants not happening before the tribunal stage, at review or appeal? Why are you hiring barristers to take on people with a disability, who often can’t afford legal representation? What do you say to accusations that experts hired by the agency are not independent and are there to make recommendations on saving money? What do you say to accusations that the NDIA is the new robodebt, causing harm to participants? Isn’t this claim borne out by the number of changed decisions at tribunal? My deadline is tomorrow at 10am. Thanks, Julie

JULIE CROSS Social Affairs Reporter

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DOCUMENT 2

From: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrele Ben on behalf of media Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2025 10:45 AM To: Swainson, Matthew; McNAUGHTON, SCOTT Cc: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant mate Mitchell; Flowers, Daniel; STORK, Tim; media; REES, Shannon; O’Byrne, Tom; redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) Julian Subject: FYI: Media enquiry (NewsCorp) - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Good morning Matt/all,

FYI on the below enquiry received from Julie Cross/NewsCorp.

We can lean on previous messaging re: the improvements we’ve made in this space, early resolution and working more closely to support ppts through the process.

And we’ll be strong in refuting any automation/Robodebt claims.

@STORK, Tim, appreciate any input your team may wish to have (esp re: reported rise in % of decision changes)

Thanks, Ben

From: Cross, Julie Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2025 11:03 AM To: media Subject: Media request

Hello,

I am looking for a comment about the rate of decision changes at tribunal - up from 58% to 70% in the last few years.

The NDIA also spent $37m on legal firms representing the agency at tribunals in 2023-2024. Can you explain why so many original decisions by agency staff are wrong and have to be reversed/changed at tribunal?

Why are these “negotiations” between the agency and participants not happening before the tribunal stage, at review or appeal?

Why are you hiring barristers to take on people with a disability, who often can’t afford legal representation? What do you say to accusations that experts hired by the agency are not independent and are there to make recommendations on saving money? What do you say to accusations that the NDIA is the new robodebt, causing harm to participants? Isn’t this claim borne out by the number of changed decisions at tribunal? My deadline is tomorrow at 10am. Thanks, Julie

JULIE CROSS Social Affairs Reporter

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2 Holt Street Surry Hills NSW 2010 GPO Box - GPO Box 7002, Sydney 2001 M redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material E julie.cross@news.com.au

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From: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irre Ben on behalf of media Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2025 10:49 AM To: Falkingham, Rebecca Cc: media; REES, Shannon; O’Byrne, Tom; redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) Julian Subject: FYI: Media enquiry (NewsCorp) - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Good morning Rebecca,

FYI on the below …

We’ll draft something that speaks to the improvements we’ve made in this area, and strongly refute the automated/Robodebt garbage.

Thanks, Ben

From: Cross, Julie Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2025 11:03 AM To: media Subject: Media request

Hello,

I am looking for a comment about the rate of decision changes at tribunal - up from 58% to 70% in the last few years. The NDIA also spent $37m on legal firms representing the agency at tribunals in 2023-2024. Can you explain why so many original decisions by agency staff are wrong and have to be reversed/changed at tribunal? Why are these “negotiations” between the agency and participants not happening before the tribunal stage, at review or appeal? Why are you hiring barristers to take on people with a disability, who often can’t afford legal representation? What do you say to accusations that experts hired by the agency are not independent and are there to make recommendations on saving money? What do you say to accusations that the NDIA is the new robodebt, causing harm to participants? Isn’t this claim borne out by the number of changed decisions at tribunal? My deadline is tomorrow at 10am. Thanks, Julie

JULIE CROSS Social Affairs Reporter

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2 Holt Street Surry Hills NSW 2010 GPO Box - GPO Box 7002, Sydney 2001 M redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material E julie.cross@news.com.au

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From: Cross, Julie julie.cross@news.com.au Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2025 11:48 AM To: media Subject: Re: Media request Attachments: image0.jpeg; image1.jpeg

Hi Julian, Here are the two AAT stats requested. The case I am referring to is WQSW. Thanks, Julie

JULIE CROSS Social Affairs Reporter

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2 Holt Street Surry Hills NSW 2010 GPO Box - GPO Box 7002, Sydney 2001 M redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material E julie.cross@news.com.au

On Wed, 5 Mar 2025 at 11:02, Cross, Julie julie.cross@news.com.au wrote: Hello,

I am looking for a comment about the rate of decision changes at tribunal - up from 58% to 70% in the last few years. The NDIA also spent $37m on legal firms representing the agency at tribunals in 2023-2024. Can you explain why so many original decisions by agency staff are wrong and have to be reversed/changed at tribunal? Why are these “negotiations” between the agency and participants not happening before the tribunal stage, at review or appeal? Why are you hiring barristers to take on people with a disability, who often can’t afford legal representation? What do you say to accusations that experts hired by the agency are not independent and are there to make recommendations on saving money? What do you say to accusations that the NDIA is the new robodebt, causing harm to participants? Isn’t this claim borne out by the number of changed decisions at tribunal? My deadline is tomorrow at 10am. Thanks, Julie

JULIE CROSS Social Affairs Reporter

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2 Holt Street Surry Hills NSW 2010 GPO Box - GPO Box 7002, Sydney 2001 M redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material E julie.cross@news.com.au

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Administrative Appeals Tribunal

AAT Caseload Report For the period 1 July 2024 to 13 October 2024

Division/Caseload Lodgements Finalisations On hand at period end Proportion of applications finalised within 12 months of lodgement Median time to finalise (weeks)1 Proportion of applications in relation to which decision under review changed2
Freedom of Information 51 38 169 76% 28 29%
General 1,121 1,144 2,707 74% 29 27%
Australian citizenship 126 147 274 85% 24 29%
Centrelink (2nd review) 231 308 573 79% 23 32%
Visa-related decisions relating to character 80 52 137 83% 11 29%
Workers’ Compensation 388 396 1,290 56% 48 29%
Other 296 241 433 87% 14 15%
Migration & Refugee 17,652 8,053 72,786 27% 175 23%
Migration 11,797 3,066 31,310 49% 55 44%
Refugee 5,855 4,987 41,476 14% 218 10%
National Disability Insurance Scheme 2,095 1,263 3,781 75% 28 70%
Security 2 0 4 - - -
Small Business Taxation 77 120 484 41% 61 62%
Social Services & Child Support 2,592 2,522 1,902 99% 11 26%
Centrelink (1st review) 2,007 1,964 1,314 99% 10 23%
Child Support 521 504 545 98% 14 38%
Paid Parental Leave 64 54 43 100% 11 19%
Taxation & Commercial 246 232 1,533 60% 38 56%
Taxation 221 190 1,449 56% 38 61%
Other 25 42 84 70% 39 30%
Veterans’ Appeals 52 63 153 48% 60 35%
AAT 23,888 13,435 83,539 50%3 52 29%

1Median time to finalise is measured in weeks from lodgement to finalisation. 2These figures relate to applications for review of decision and do not include other types of applications that may be made under the AAT Act or related legislation. The decision under review is treated as having been changed if the Tribunal varies or sets aside the decision or remits the matter to the decision-maker for reconsideration by way of a decision under section 43 of the Administrative Appeals Tribunal Act 1975 (AAT Act) or section 349 or 415 of the Migration Act 1958 or by way of a decision made in accordance with terms of agreement reached by the parties under section 34D or 42C of the AAT Act. 3The Portfolio Budget Statement for the AAT sets out a performance criterion target of 75% of applications finalised within 12 months of lodgement.

Note: This report has been produced for publication on the Administrative Appeals Tribunal (ART) website. For re-publication or other use, please contact the Report.RequestsMailbox@aat.gov.au to discuss intended use and ensure the accurate representation and communication of these figures. Figures may vary slightly between reports due to data changes that may occur between when reports are run.

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Administrative Appeals Tribunal

AAT Caseload Report For the period 1 July 2021 to 30 June 2022

Division/Caseload Lodgements Finalisations On hand at period end Proportion of applications finalised within 12 months of lodgement Median time to finalise (weeks)1 Proportion of applications in relation to which decision under review changed2
Freedom of Information 70 72 108 49% 55 21%
General 3,879 4,514 2,941 72% 27 29%
Australian citizenship 459 683 363 69% 33 28%
Centrelink (2nd review) 1,179 1,549 721 80% 24 26%
Visa-related decisions relating to character 414 360 187 88% 11 38%
Workers’ Compensation 1,167 1,264 1,292 54% 49 34%
Other 660 658 378 85% 14 24%
Migration & Refugee 20,936 20,892 56,129 27% 107 31%
Migration 10,193 15,073 19,104 26% 105 40%
Refugee 10,743 5,819 37,025 28% 113 7%
National Disability Insurance Scheme 5,918 3,348 4,193 90% 23 58%
Security 17 7 37 71% 51 0%
Small Business Taxation 317 297 469 82% 29 48%
Social Services & Child Support 12,138 11,996 2,342 >99% 9 21%
Centrelink (1st review) 9,698 9,526 1,665 >99% 8 18%
Child Support 2,271 2,292 660 >99% 12 34%
Paid Parental Leave 169 178 17 100% 8 9%
Taxation & Commercial 838 685 1,315 59% 39 39%
Taxation 738 553 1,199 57% 42 41%
Other 100 132 116 63% 32 33%
Veterans’ Appeals 161 196 186 58% 47 30%
AAT 44,274 42,007 67,720 58%3 30 30%

1Median time to finalise is measured in weeks from lodgement to finalisation. 2These figures relate to applications for review of decision and do not include other types of applications that may be made under the AAT Act or related legislation. The decision under review is treated as having been changed if the Tribunal varies or sets aside the decision or remits the matter to the decision-maker for reconsideration by way of a decision under section 43 of the Administrative Appeals Tribunal Act 1975 (AAT Act) or section 43 or 406 of the Migration Act 1958 or by way of a decision made in accordance with terms of agreement reached by the parties under section 34D or 42C of the AAT Act. 3The Portfolio Budget Statement for the AAT sets out a performance criterion target of 75% of applications finalised within 12 months of lodgement.

Note: This report has been produced for publication on the Administrative Appeals Tribunal (AAT) website. For re-publication or other use, please contact the Report.RequestsMailbox@aat.gov.au to discuss intended use and ensure the accurate representation and communication of these figures. Figures may vary slightly between reports due to data changes that may occur between when reports are run.

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DOCUMENT 8

From: Cross, Julie julie.cross@news.com.au Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2025 11:51 AM To: media Subject: Re: Media request

Hi Julian, I know you mentioned about the number of cases being resolved before tribunal, but we note that lodgements have increased in the first half of this financial year, 3794, compared with 4271 for the entire previous financial year. J

JULIE CROSS Social Affairs Reporter

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2 Holt Street Surry Hills NSW 2010 GPO Box - GPO Box 7002, Sydney 2001 M redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material E julie.cross@news.com.au

On Wed, 5 Mar 2025 at 12:18, Cross, Julie julie.cross@news.com.au wrote: Hi Julian, Here are the two AAT stats requested. The case I am referring to is WQSW. Thanks, Julie

JULIE CROSS Social Affairs Reporter

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2 Holt Street Surry Hills NSW 2010 GPO Box - GPO Box 7002, Sydney 2001 M redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material E julie.cross@news.com.au

On Wed, 5 Mar 2025 at 11:02, Cross, Julie julie.cross@news.com.au wrote: Hello,

I am looking for a comment about the rate of decision changes at tribunal - up from 58% to 70% in the last few years. The NDIA also spent $37m on legal firms representing the agency at tribunals in 2023-2024. Can you explain why so many original decisions by agency staff are wrong and have to be reversed/changed at tribunal? Why are these “negotiations” between the agency and participants not happening before the tribunal stage, at review or appeal? Why are you hiring barristers to take on people with a disability, who often can’t afford legal representation? What do you say to accusations that experts hired by the agency are not independent and are there to make recommendations on saving money? What do you say to accusations that the NDIA is the new robodebt, causing harm to participants? Isn’t this claim borne out by the number of changed decisions at tribunal? My deadline is tomorrow at 10am. Thanks, Julie

JULIE CROSS Social Affairs Reporter

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2 Holt Street Surry Hills NSW 2010 GPO Box - GPO Box 7002, Sydney 2001 M redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material E julie.cross@news.com.au

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From: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) Julian

Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2025 11:58 AM

To: O’Byrne, Tom; REES, Shannon; Falkingham, Rebecca; media

Cc: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) Ben

Subject: RE: FYI: Media enquiry (NewsCorp) - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Hi all,

I’ve spoken with Julie and made it clear we expect accountability of her claims, and:

Accusations of independent experts:

  • This is where we engage professionals to undertake an assessment to inform the ART decision (i.e. OT Functional Capacity Assessment).
  • She says one expert received over $100k
  • Has an ART case study (she will send this to us) which she will reference anonymously, as reportedly the family can’t legally speak publicly to the case

Accusations of ‘robodebt’ and ‘harm to participants’

  • Her main source is Mark Toomey and his social media followers.

Data referenced:

  • It is from an ‘AAT report’ and details 1 July to 13 Oct. She will email this to us for reference.

We will get to work on the response, no doubt speak to Julie again to try and influence her reporting.

Cheers,

Julian.

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From: Falkingham, Rebecca

Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2025 11:59 AM

To: O’Byrne, Tom; REES, Shannon; media; Swainson, Matthew; McGregor, Tom Cc: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii), Julian

Subject: RE: FYI: Media enquiry (NewsCorp) - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Thanks Tom – greatly appreciate it.

Looping in Matt/Tom and Daniel because between the three of them we have a very good story to tell on legal spend and ART.

Rebecca Falkingham CEO National Disability Insurance Agency

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Delivered by the National Disability Insurance Agency

The NDIA acknowledges the Traditional Custodians of Country throughout Australia and their continuing connection to land, sea and community. We pay our respects to them and their cultures and to Elders past, present and emerging.

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Administrative Appeals Tribunal

AAT Caseload Report For the period 1 July 2024 to 13 October 2024

Division/Caseload Lodgements Finalisations On hand at period end Proportion of applications finalised within 12 months of lodgement Median time to finalise (weeks)1 Proportion of applications in relation to which decision under review changed2
Freedom of Information 51 38 169 76% 28 29%
General 1,121 1,144 2,707 74% 29 27%
Australian citizenship 126 147 274 85% 24 29%
Centrelink (2nd review) 231 308 573 79% 23 32%
Visa-related decisions relating to character 80 52 137 83% 11 29%
Workers’ Compensation 388 396 1,290 56% 48 29%
Other 296 241 433 87% 14 15%
Migration & Refugee 17,652 8,053 72,786 27% 175 23%
Migration 11,797 3,066 31,310 49% 55 44%
Refugee 5,855 4,987 41,476 14% 218 10%
National Disability Insurance Scheme 2,095 1,263 3,781 75% 28 70%
Security 2 0 4 - - -
Small Business Taxation 77 120 484 41% 61 62%
Social Services & Child Support 2,592 2,522 1,902 99% 11 26%
Centrelink (1st review) 2,007 1,964 1,314 99% 10 23%
Child Support 521 504 545 98% 14 38%
Paid Parental Leave 64 54 43 100% 11 19%
Taxation & Commercial 246 232 1,533 60% 38 56%
Taxation 221 190 1,449 56% 38 61%
Other 25 42 84 70% 39 30%
Veterans’ Appeals 52 63 153 48% 60 35%
AAT 23,888 13,435 83,539 50%3 52 29%

1Median time to finalise is measured in weeks from lodgement to finalisation. 2These figures relate to applications for review of decision and do not include other types of applications that may be made under the AAT Act or related legislation. The decision under review is treated as having been changed if the Tribunal varies or sets aside the decision or remits the matter to the decision-maker for reconsideration by way of a decision under section 43 of the Administrative Appeals Tribunal Act 1975 (AAT Act) or section 349 or 415 of the Migration Act 1958 or by way of a decision made in accordance with terms of agreement reached by the parties under section 34D or 42C of the AAT Act. 3The Portfolio Budget Statement for the AAT sets out a performance criterion target of 75% of applications finalised within 12 months of lodgement.

Note: This report has been produced for publication on the Administrative Appeals Tribunal (ART) website. For re-publication or other use, please contact the Report.RequestsMailbox@aat.gov.au to discuss intended use and ensure the accurate representation and communication of these figures. Figures may vary slightly between reports due to data changes that may occur between when reports are run.

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Administrative Appeals Tribunal

AAT Caseload Report For the period 1 July 2021 to 30 June 2022

Division/Caseload Lodgements Finalisations On hand at period end Proportion of applications finalised within 12 months of lodgement Median time to finalise (weeks)1 Proportion of applications in relation to which decision under review changed2
Freedom of Information 70 72 108 49% 55 21%
General 3,879 4,514 2,941 72% 27 29%
Australian citizenship 459 683 363 69% 33 28%
Centrelink (2nd review) 1,179 1,549 721 80% 24 26%
Visa-related decisions relating to character 414 360 187 88% 11 38%
Workers’ Compensation 1,167 1,264 1,292 54% 49 34%
Other 660 658 378 85% 14 24%
Migration & Refugee 20,936 20,892 56,129 27% 107 31%
Migration 10,193 15,073 19,104 26% 105 40%
Refugee 10,743 5,819 37,025 28% 113 7%
National Disability Insurance Scheme 5,918 3,348 4,193 90% 23 58%
Security 17 7 37 71% 51 0%
Small Business Taxation 317 297 469 82% 29 48%
Social Services & Child Support 12,138 11,996 2,342 >99% 9 21%
Centrelink (1st review) 9,698 9,526 1,665 >99% 8 18%
Child Support 2,271 2,292 660 >99% 12 34%
Paid Parental Leave 169 178 17 100% 8 9%
Taxation & Commercial 838 685 1,315 59% 39 39%
Taxation 738 553 1,199 57% 42 41%
Other 100 132 116 63% 32 33%
Veterans’ Appeals 161 196 186 58% 47 30%
AAT 44,274 42,007 67,720 58%3 30 30%

1Median time to finalise is measured in weeks from lodgement to finalisation. 2These figures relate to applications for review of decision and do not include other types of applications that may be made under the AAT Act or related legislation. The decision under review is treated as having been changed if the Tribunal varies or sets aside the decision or remits the matter to the decision-maker for reconsideration by way of a decision under section 43 of the Administrative Appeals Tribunal Act 1975 (AAT Act) or section 43 or 406 of the Migration Act 1958 or by way of a decision made in accordance with terms of agreement reached by the parties under section 34D or 42C of the AAT Act. 3The Portfolio Budget Statement for the AAT sets out a performance criterion target of 75% of applications finalised within 12 months of lodgement.

Note: This report has been produced for publication on the Administrative Appeals Tribunal (AAT) website. For re-publication or other use, please contact the Report.RequestsMailbox@aat.gov.au to discuss intended use and ensure the accurate representation and communication of these figures. Figures may vary slightly between reports due to data changes that may occur between when reports are run.

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From: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant ma, Marija

Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2025 1:55 PM

To: STORK, Tim; media; CASTLES, Fiona; Johnson, Kathryn; Flowers, Daniel; O’Byrne, Tom Cc: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant ma, Mitchell; REES, Shannon; redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant mat, Julian; redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant mat, Justin Subject: RE: FYI: Media enquiry (NewsCorp) - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Hi Tom,

Please find below a proposed response.


The NDIA is committed to a participant centred and Case Manager-led approach to alternative dispute resolution. The NDIA is working directly with participants and their representatives to resolve these disputes quickly to enable earlier outcomes for participants and ensure participants have the supports they need.

Through the NDIA’s Early Assessment teams, Case Managers will contact the NDIS participant directly to better understand their circumstances and discuss options to resolve prior to an ART hearing where possible.

The Agency notes that 98% of matters are resolved prior to a substantive hearing in the Tribunal. A change in the NDIA’s position in an ART matter is primarily as a result of new information gathered during the proceeding. The NDIA’s role in the Tribunal is to reach the correct or preferable decision, and not to defend a reviewable decision.

The NDIA has implemented a range of initiatives over the last 2 years to drive improvements in dispute resolution and reduce the reliance on external lawyers. The NDIA remains focussed on reducing external legal costs per matter through improved procurement of external Legal Services Providers and reducing the number of law firms with a focus on bringing matters back in-house.

The NDIA engages lawyers in the merit review process to ensure it meets its obligations to assist the Tribunal and its model litigant obligations under the Legal Services Direction 2017. Participants can represent themselves or choose a representative to assist them with the Tribunal process. The NDIS Appeals Program, run by the Department of Social Services helps people with disability, and other people affected by reviewable decisions of the NDIA. Through this program, participants can access disability advocate and legal aid at no cost to themselves.


Marija redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material Director Strategy and Reporting Legal Practice and Capability Branch Chief Counsel Division

National Disability Insurance Agency M: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material | E: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material@ndis.gov.au

Delivered by the National Disability Insurance Agency

The NDIA acknowledges the Traditional Custodians of Country throughout Australia and their continuing connection to land, sea and community. We pay our respects to them and their cultures and to Elders past, present and emerging.

Important: This e-mail is for the use of the intended recipient only and may contain information that is confidential, commercially valuable and/or subject to legal or parliamentary privilege. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that any review, re-transmission, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information is prohibited and may result in severe penalties. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete all electronic and hard copies of this transmission together with any attachments.

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From: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - ir, Ben on behalf of media Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2025 2:36 PM To: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - ir Julian Cc: media Subject: FOR REVIEW: NewsCorp / ART [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Categories: Julian

Hey Jredacted: s22(1)(a)(ii),

Seeking your review of the below. Tis long

Thanks, Bredacted: s22(1)(a)(ii)

The following can be attributed to an NDIA spokesperson: The National Disability Insurance Agency’s priority remains ensuring our participants can access the disability-related supports they need, and we acknowledge every participant’s right to request an internal review or seek an external review through the Administrative Review Tribunal (ART).

Should any NDIS participant seek a review through the ART, our approach is to support participants through this process.

Over the past two years the NDIA has implemented a range of strategies and improvements to ensure a better participant experience for anyone involved in the external appeal process. These initiatives have also contributed to an overall decrease in external legal expenditure for FY2023-24.

The NDIA adopted an early resolution approach which ensures the Agency works more closely with participants sooner in the appeal process – reducing the likelihood of the matter progressing through the ART. The NDIA, through assigned case managers, works directly with participants and their representatives to resolve these disputes quickly to enable earlier outcomes for participants and ensure participants have the supports they need.

The Agency notes that data shows that 98% of matters are resolved prior to a substantive hearing in the Tribunal. In addition, average waits times at the Tribunal have reduced from a median of 34.6 weeks in December 2022 to 26.4 weeks in December 2024.

It is important to note that participants seeking a review through the ART are able to gather additional evidence – and submit new requests – after lodging an ART case. A change in the NDIA’s position in an ART matter is primarily as a result of new information gathered during the proceeding. The NDIA’s role in the Tribunal is to reach the correct or preferable decision, and not to defend a reviewable decision.

The Agency will continue to work with participants, their representatives, Legal Aid and the Tribunal to improve the experience of participants exercising their right to seek an external review of Agency decisions.

It is utterly false to suggest automated decision-making will be used by the NDIA now or into the future. In fact, recent amendments to the NDIS Act expressly requires human decision-making and oversight across each step of the process.

The suggestion of automated decision-making is not only false, it risks causing unnecessary concern amongst people with disability.

Background (to inform reporting only, not for attribution) The NDIA engages lawyers in the merit review process to ensure it meets its obligations to assist the Tribunal and its model litigant obligations. Participants can represent themselves or choose a representative to assist them with the Tribunal process. The NDIS Appeals Program, run by the Department of Social Services helps people with disability, and other people affected by reviewable decisions of the NDIA. Through this program, participants can access disability advocate and legal aid at no cost to themselves.

Given a participant’s right to supply additional information and add requests during the external review process, it is overly simplistic to suggest the ART varying an NDIA decision equates to Agency staff getting it “wrong”. Our aim remains ensuring every participant receives the disability-related supports they require and for which they are eligible.

The NDIA is concerned a narrative around “automated” planning – including mischievous comparisons to Robodebt – is being perpetuated through incorrect reporting and false claims made by some individuals, and would ask media to consider their role in ensuring NDIS participants have access to the correct information regarding our planning processes.

As of 30 September 2024, the NDIS was providing disability-related support to 680,123 Australians living with disability – an increase of 27% from 30 June 2022, when the Scheme was supporting 534,655 participants.

From: Cross, Julie Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2025 12:21 PM To: media Subject: Re: Media request

Hi Julian, I know you mentioned about the number of cases being resolved before tribunal, but we note that lodgements have increased in the first half of this financial year, 3794, compared with 4271 for the entire previous financial year. J

JULIE CROSS Social Affairs Reporter

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On Wed, 5 Mar 2025 at 12:18, Cross, Julie julie.cross@news.com.au wrote: Hi Julian, Here are the two AAT stats requested. The case I am referring to is WQSW. Thanks, Julie

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On Wed, 5 Mar 2025 at 11:02, Cross, Julie julie.cross@news.com.au wrote: Hello,

I am looking for a comment about the rate of decision changes at tribunal - up from 58% to 70% in the last few years. The NDIA also spent $37m on legal firms representing the agency at tribunals in 2023-2024. Can you explain why so many original decisions by agency staff are wrong and have to be reversed/changed at tribunal? Why are these “negotiations” between the agency and participants not happening before the tribunal stage, at review or appeal? Why are you hiring barristers to take on people with a disability, who often can’t afford legal representation? What do you say to accusations that experts hired by the agency are not independent and are there to make recommendations on saving money? What do you say to accusations that the NDIA is the new robodebt, causing harm to participants? Isn’t this claim borne out by the number of changed decisions at tribunal? My deadline is tomorrow at 10am. Thanks, Julie

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From: REES, Shannon

Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2025 3:00 PM

To: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant mat, Marija; STORK, Tim; media; CASTLES, Fiona; Johnson, Kathryn; Flowers, Daniel; O’Byrne, Tom; Swainson, Matthew Cc: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant mat, Mitchell; redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant mat, Julian; redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant mat, Justin Subject: RE: FYI: Media enquiry (NewsCorp) - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Im just looping Matt in here as we discussed this direct with RF and he may be able to assist

From: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant mat, Marija Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2025 2:25 PM To: STORK, Tim; media; CASTLES, Fiona; Johnson, Kathryn; Flowers, Daniel; O’Byrne, Tom Cc: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant mat, Mitchell; REES, Shannon; redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant mat, Julian; redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant mat, Justin Subject: RE: FYI: Media enquiry (NewsCorp) - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Hi Tom,

Please find below a proposed response.


The NDIA is committed to a participant centred and Case Manager-led approach to alternative dispute resolution. The NDIA is working directly with participants and their representatives to resolve these disputes quickly to enable earlier outcomes for participants and ensure participants have the supports they need.

Through the NDIA’s Early Assessment teams, Case Managers will contact the NDIS participant directly to better understand their circumstances and discuss options to resolve prior to an ART hearing where possible.

The Agency notes that 98% of matters are resolved prior to a substantive hearing in the Tribunal. A change in the NDIA’s position in an ART matter is primarily as a result of new information gathered during the proceeding. The NDIA’s role in the Tribunal is to reach the correct or preferable decision, and not to defend a reviewable decision.

The NDIA has implemented a range of initiatives over the last 2 years to drive improvements in dispute resolution and reduce the reliance on external lawyers. The NDIA remains focussed on reducing external legal costs per matter through improved procurement of external Legal Services Providers and reducing the number of law firms with a focus on bringing matters back in-house.

The NDIA engages lawyers in the merit review process to ensure it meets its obligations to assist the Tribunal and its model litigant obligations under the Legal Services Direction 2017. Participants can represent themselves or choose a representative to assist them with the Tribunal process. The NDIS Appeals Program, run by the Department of Social Services helps people with disability, and other people affected by reviewable decisions of the NDIA. Through this program, participants can access disability advocate and legal aid at no cost to themselves.


Marija redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material Director Strategy and Reporting Legal Practice and Capability Branch Chief Counsel Division

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From: STORK, Tim Tim.STORK@ndis.gov.au Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2025 12:57 PM

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From: REES, Shannon

Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2025 3:01 PM

To: O’Byrne, Tom; Flowers, Daniel; McGregor, Tom; Johnson, Kathryn; STORK, Tim; CASTLES, Fiona Cc: Swainson, Matthew; redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant mat, Marija; redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant mat, Julian; media

Subject: RE: FYI: Media enquiry (NewsCorp) - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

We can make sure CEO has visibility of this too thanks Team

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From: Flowers, Daniel

Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2025 1:12 PM

To: McGregor, Tom; O’Byrne, Tom; Johnson, Kathryn; STORK, Tim; CASTLES, Fiona Cc: Swainson, Matthew; redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant mat, Marija

Subject: RE: FYI: Media enquiry (NewsCorp) - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Thanks Tom,

A couple of email trails with different groups on this one. Marija is working on a response which will come through shortly.

Thanks,

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From: McGregor, Tom Tom.McGregor@ndis.gov.au Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2025 1:03 PM To: O’Byrne, Tom; Johnson, Kathryn Kathryn.Johnson@ndis.gov.au; STORK, Tim Tim.STORK@ndis.gov.au; CASTLES, Fiona Fiona.CASTLES@ndis.gov.au Cc: Flowers, Daniel Daniel.Flowers@ndis.gov.au; Swainson, Matthew Matthew.Swainson@ndis.gov.au Subject: FW: FYI: Media enquiry (NewsCorp) - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Hi Tom

Have looped in Tim (ART), Kathryn (Litigation) and Fiona (Legal support) whose teams will be able to help with this narrative.

Dan - FYI

Regards, Tom

Tom McGregor (he/him) General Counsel National Disability Insurance Agency Mobile redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material | Email tom.mcgregor@ndis.gov.au

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From: Falkingham, Rebecca Rebecca.Falkingham@ndis.gov.au Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2025 12:29 PM To: O’Byrne, Tom; REES, Shannon Shannon.REES@ndis.gov.au; media media@ndis.gov.au; Swainson, Matthew Matthew.Swainson@ndis.gov.au; McGregor, Tom Tom.McGregor@ndis.gov.au Cc: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii), Julian <Julian.redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material@ndis.gov.au> Subject: RE: FYI: Media enquiry (NewsCorp) - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Thanks Tom – greatly appreciate it.

Looping in Matt/Tom and Daniel because between the three of them we have a very good story to tell on legal spend and ART.

Rebecca Falkingham CEO National Disability Insurance Agency E rebecca.falkingham@ndis.gov.au

The NDIA acknowledges the Traditional Custodians of Country throughout Australia and their continuing connection to land, sea and community. We pay our respects to them and their cultures and to Elders past, present and emerging.

From: O’Byrne, Tom Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2025 12:10 PM To: REES, Shannon Shannon.REES@ndis.gov.au; Falkingham, Rebecca Rebecca.Falkingham@ndis.gov.au; media media@ndis.gov.au

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From: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii), Julian Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2025 3:03 PM To: media; O’Byrne, Tom Cc: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant, Ben Subject: RE: FOR REVIEW: NewsCorp / ART [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Thanks very much Bredacted: s22(1)(a)(ii),

Flicking to @O’Byrne, Tom directly in interest of time and hopefully curtail the litany of emails.

// The following can be attributed to an NDIA spokesperson: The National Disability Insurance Agency’s (NDIA) priority remains ensuring our participants can access the disability-related supports they need, and we acknowledge every participant’s right to request an internal review or seek an external review through the Administrative Review Tribunal (ART).

Over the past two years the NDIA has implemented a range of strategies and improvements to ensure a better participant experience for anyone involved in the external appeal process. These initiatives have also contributed to an overall decrease in external legal expenditure for FY2023-24, with the latest reporting period seeing ART legal commitments decrease by 23%.

The NDIA adopted an early resolution approach which ensures the Agency works more closely with participants sooner in the appeal process – reducing the likelihood of the matter progressing through the ART.

The Agency notes that data shows that 98% of matters are resolved prior to a substantive hearing in the Tribunal. In addition, average waits times at the Tribunal have reduced from a median of 34.6 weeks in December 2022 to 26.4 weeks in December 2024.

The increase in ART applications can be attributed to multiple factors, including the Scheme supporting more participants than ever and a significant growth in the number of decisions the Agency is making.T

The Agency will continue to work with participants, their representatives, Legal Aid and the Tribunal to improve the experience of participants exercising their right to seek an external review of Agency decisions.

Background (to inform reporting only, not for attribution) It is important to note that participants seeking a review through the ART are able to gather additional evidence – and submit new requests – after lodging an ART case. A change in the NDIA’s position in an ART matter is primarily as a result of new information gathered during the proceeding. The NDIA’s role in the Tribunal is to reach the correct or preferable decision, and not to defend a reviewable decision.

Given a participant’s right to supply additional information and add requests during the external review process, it is overly simplistic to suggest the ART varying an NDIA decision equates to Agency staff getting it “wrong”. Our aim remains ensuring every participant receives the disability-related supports they require and for which they are eligible.

The NDIA engages lawyers in the merit review process to ensure it meets its obligations to assist the Tribunal and its model litigant obligations. Participants can represent themselves or choose a representative to assist them with the Tribunal process. The NDIS Appeals Program, run by the Department of Social Services helps people with disability, and other people affected by reviewable decisions of the NDIA. Through this program, participants can access disability advocate and legal aid at no cost to themselves.

The NDIA is concerned of comparisons to Robodebt is being perpetuated through incorrect reporting and false claims made by some individuals, and would ask media to consider their role in ensuring NDIS participants have access to the correct information regarding our planning processes. //

From: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant, Ben On Behalf Of media Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2025 3:06 PM To: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii), Julian Cc: media Subject: FOR REVIEW: NewsCorp / ART [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Hey Jredacted: s22(1)(a)(ii),

Seeking your review of the below. Tis long

Thanks, Bredacted: s22(1)(a)(ii)

The following can be attributed to an NDIA spokesperson: The National Disability Insurance Agency’s priority remains ensuring our participants can access the disability-related supports they need, and we acknowledge every participant’s right to request an internal review or seek an external review through the Administrative Review Tribunal (ART).

Should any NDIS participant seek a review through the ART, our approach is to support participants through this process.

Over the past two years the NDIA has implemented a range of strategies and improvements to ensure a better participant experience for anyone involved in the external appeal process. These initiatives have also contributed to an overall decrease in external legal expenditure for FY2023-24.

The NDIA adopted an early resolution approach which ensures the Agency works more closely with participants sooner in the appeal process – reducing the likelihood of the matter progressing through the ART. The NDIA, through assigned case managers, works directly with participants and their representatives to resolve these disputes quickly to enable earlier outcomes for participants and ensure participants have the supports they need.

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The Agency notes that data shows that 98% of matters are resolved prior to a substantive hearing in the Tribunal. In addition, average waits times at the Tribunal have reduced from a median of 34.6 weeks in December 2022 to 26.4 weeks in December 2024.

It is important to note that participants seeking a review through the ART are able to gather additional evidence – and submit new requests – after lodging an ART case. A change in the NDIA’s position in an ART matter is primarily as a result of new information gathered during the proceeding. The NDIA’s role in the Tribunal is to reach the correct or preferable decision, and not to defend a reviewable decision.

The Agency will continue to work with participants, their representatives, Legal Aid and the Tribunal to improve the experience of participants exercising their right to seek an external review of Agency decisions.

It is utterly false to suggest automated decision-making will be used by the NDIA now or into the future. In fact, recent amendments to the NDIS Act expressly requires human decision-making and oversight across each step of the process.

The suggestion of automated decision-making is not only false, it risks causing unnecessary concern amongst people with disability.

Background (to inform reporting only, not for attribution) The NDIA engages lawyers in the merit review process to ensure it meets its obligations to assist the Tribunal and its model litigant obligations. Participants can represent themselves or choose a representative to assist them with the Tribunal process. The NDIS Appeals Program, run by the Department of Social Services helps people with disability, and other people affected by reviewable decisions of the NDIA. Through this program, participants can access disability advocate and legal aid at no cost to themselves.

Given a participant’s right to supply additional information and add requests during the external review process, it is overly simplistic to suggest the ART varying an NDIA decision equates to Agency staff getting it “wrong”. Our aim remains ensuring every participant receives the disability-related supports they require and for which they are eligible.

The NDIA is concerned a narrative around “automated” planning – including mischievous comparisons to Robodebt – is being perpetuated through incorrect reporting and false claims made by some individuals, and would ask media to consider their role in ensuring NDIS participants have access to the correct information regarding our planning processes.

As of 30 September 2024, the NDIS was providing disability-related support to 680,123 Australians living with disability – an increase of 27% from 30 June 2022, when the Scheme was supporting 534,655 participants.

From: Cross, Julie julie.cross@news.com.au Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2025 12:21 PM To: media media@ndis.gov.au Subject: Re: Media request

Hi Julian, I know you mentioned about the number of cases being resolved before tribunal, but we note that lodgements have increased in the first half of this financial year, 3794, compared with 4271 for the entire previous financial year. J

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On Wed, 5 Mar 2025 at 12:18, Cross, Julie julie.cross@news.com.au wrote: Hi Julian, Here are the two AAT stats requested. The case I am referring to is WQSW. Thanks, Julie

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On Wed, 5 Mar 2025 at 11:02, Cross, Julie julie.cross@news.com.au wrote: Hello,

I am looking for a comment about the rate of decision changes at tribunal - up from 58% to 70% in the last few years.

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The NDIA also spent $37m on legal firms representing the agency at tribunals in 2023-2024. Can you explain why so many original decisions by agency staff are wrong and have to be reversed/changed at tribunal? Why are these “negotiations” between the agency and participants not happening before the tribunal stage, at review or appeal? Why are you hiring barristers to take on people with a disability, who often can’t afford legal representation? What do you say to accusations that experts hired by the agency are not independent and are there to make recommendations on saving money? What do you say to accusations that the NDIA is the new robodebt, causing harm to participants? Isn’t this claim borne out by the number of changed decisions at tribunal? My deadline is tomorrow at 10am. Thanks, Julie

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From: O’Byrne, Tom Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2025 4:53 PM To: REES, Shannon Cc: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii), Julian; redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - ir, Ben; media Subject: For review | Media enquiry (NewsCorp) - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Hey Shannon,

Noting our discussion and further discussion with DF – his view remained that while there has been movement in the last month or so regarding affirmation outcomes, this was proportionally small and unrelated to the broader Section 10 work.

The ‘challenge’ to the data is therefore less in the picking of trend and more in the space of rejecting: ‘The Agency gets decisions wrong so often and then doesn’t even engage with applicants’.

In truth, additional evidence is supplied and hearings are then avoided.

The below is the suggested narrative including reference to matters found in favour of the Agency. I’ve also cut out the questions.

Once you’re happy, we’ll re-engage via our usual approval process noting there are now quite a number of threads running on this one.

  • Can you explain why so many original decisions by agency staff are wrong and have to be reversed/changed at tribunal?
  • Why are these “negotiations” between the agency and participants not happening before the tribunal stage, at review or appeal?
  • Why are you hiring barristers to take on people with a disability, who often can’t afford legal representation?
  • What do you say to accusations that experts hired by the agency are not independent and are there to make recommendations on saving money?

The data you have provided around changes to decisions under review changes does not reflect decisions made via substantive Tribunal hearings.

98% of matters are resolved prior to a substantive hearing in the Tribunal. Around a quarter of these cases are dismissed by the ART or withdrawn by the applicant.

In most cases, matters are resolved by agreement between the Agency and the applicant. A change in the NDIA’s position prior to a substantive hearing is primarily the result of new information being provided as we work closely with participants earlier in the appeal process.

This is why the NDIA is investing heavily in new approaches to dispute resolution which are focussed on providing earlier, quicker and fair outcomes for all participants.

This work includes:

  • proactive calls to participants prior to internal reviews to achieve earlier resolution of issues, as well as clarity and support for some participants who may then no longer require an internal review
  • the introduction of an early assessment team whose role is to work with participants to better understand their circumstances and discussion options for resolving prior to an ART hearing
  • a range of initiatives which have contributed to an overall decrease in external legal expenditure

The NDIS Appeals Program, run by the Department of Social Services helps people with disability, and other people affected by reviewable decisions of the NDIA. Through this program, participants can access disability advocate and legal aid at no cost to themselves.

While the Agency works to ensure any disputes are resolved as early as possible, it remains the right of all participants to seek a review in the Tribunal. The Tribunal has as recently rejected claims for items including massage chairs, a motorcycle, elective surgery, solar panels and batteries, a drone, art supplies and other items which are not NDIS Supports.

In October 2024, new lists came into to bring greater clarity to what is, and what is not, a NDIS Support.

Cheers, Tom

Tom O’Byrne Branch Manager Media | Strategic Communications Division National Disability Insurance Agency E: tom.o’byrne@ndis.gov.au M: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material

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From: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant mat, Marija

Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2025 2:25 PM

To: STORK, Tim; media; CASTLES, Fiona; Johnson, Kathryn; Flowers, Daniel; O’Byrne, Tom Cc: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant mat, Mitchell; REES, Shannon; redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant mat, Julian; redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant mat, Justin Subject: RE: FYI: Media enquiry (NewsCorp) - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Hi Tom,

Please find below a proposed response.


The NDIA is committed to a participant centred and Case Manager-led approach to alternative dispute resolution. The NDIA is working directly with participants and their representatives to resolve these disputes quickly to enable earlier outcomes for participants and ensure participants have the supports they need.

Through the NDIA’s Early Assessment teams, Case Managers will contact the NDIS participant directly to better understand their circumstances and discuss options to resolve prior to an ART hearing where possible.

The Agency notes that 98% of matters are resolved prior to a substantive hearing in the Tribunal. A change in the NDIA’s position in an ART matter is primarily as a result of new information gathered during the proceeding. The NDIA’s role in the Tribunal is to reach the correct or preferable decision, and not to defend a reviewable decision.

The NDIA has implemented a range of initiatives over the last 2 years to drive improvements in dispute resolution and reduce the reliance on external lawyers. The NDIA remains focussed on reducing external legal costs per matter through improved procurement of external Legal Services Providers and reducing the number of law firms with a focus on bringing matters back in-house.

The NDIA engages lawyers in the merit review process to ensure it meets its obligations to assist the Tribunal and its model litigant obligations under the Legal Services Direction 2017. Participants can represent themselves or choose a representative to assist them with the Tribunal process. The NDIS Appeals Program, run by the Department of Social Services helps people with disability, and other people affected by reviewable decisions of the NDIA. Through this program, participants can access disability advocate and legal aid at no cost to themselves.


Marija redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material Director Strategy and Reporting Legal Practice and Capability Branch Chief Counsel Division

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From: O’Byrne, Tom

Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2025 5:29 PM

To: media; redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii), Julian

Subject: FW: For review | Media enquiry (NewsCorp) - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Hey team,

I’ve spoken with Shan, can put this into our usual media approvals template and progress to Matt Swainson (cc Daniel Flowers), then onto CEO.

In the media handling, please note that’s we’ll engage with the journalist to:

  • Press for accountability on the claims around Robodebt and the journalist needs to demonstrate evidence as to how automated decision-making can be linked to human-centred engagement.
  • Explain how the questions and use of data suggest a picture of the approach to ART which is not accurate

Text in italics below is the attributable response.

Cheers, Tom

Tom O’Byrne Branch Manager Media | Strategic Communications Division National Disability Insurance Agency

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From: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - ir, Ben on behalf of media

Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2025 5:34 PM

To: O’Byrne, Tom; media; redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii), Julian

Subject: RE: For review | Media enquiry (NewsCorp) - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

No probs, on it

From: O’Byrne, Tom

Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2025 5:59 PM

To: media; redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii), Julian

Subject: FW: For review | Media enquiry (NewsCorp) - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Hey team,

I’ve spoken with Shan, can put this into our usual media approvals template and progress to Matt Swainson (cc Daniel Flowers), then onto CEO.

In the media handling, please note that’s we’ll engage with the journalist to:

  • Press for accountability on the claims around Robodebt and the journalist needs to demonstrate evidence as to how automated decision-making can be linked to human-centred engagement.
  • Explain how the questions and use of data suggest a picture of the approach to ART which is not accurate

Text in italics below is the attributable response.

Cheers, Tom

Tom O’Byrne Branch Manager Media | Strategic Communications Division National Disability Insurance Agency E: tom.o’byrne@ndis.gov.au

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The NDIA acknowledges the Traditional Custodians of Country throughout Australia and their continuing connection to land, sea and community. We pay our respects to them and their cultures and to Elders past, present and emerging.

From: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - ir, Ben on behalf of media

Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2025 5:43 PM

To: Swainson, Matthew

Cc: Flowers, Daniel; redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant ma, Mitchell; media; REES, Shannon; O’Byrne, Tom; redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii), Julian

Subject: FOR REVIEW: Media enquiry (NewsCorp) - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

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Importance: High

Good evening Matt,

Please see below draft response for NewsCorp (Julie Cross) re ART processes.

Thanks,

Ben

| Media enquiry ||| | :— | :— | | Journalist/media outlet | Julie Cross (NewsCorp) | | Deadline for approval | ASAP please | | Journalist deadline to receive NDIA response | Thursday 10am (MO keen to see our response tonight) | | Enquiry topic | The NDIA and ART outcomes/approach | | Approvals to date | a/g Dir, Media
BM, Media
GM, Media | | Approvals to come | DCEO (Gov, Risk & Legal)
CEO | | Background information | • Journalist provided data (from ART) that compares 2021-22 figures with a 3-month period from 2024 (attached)
• NDIA media has spoken with journalist
• NDIA media will again contact journalist to press for accountability on the claims around Robodebt and remind them of their need to demonstrate evidence as to how automated decision-making can be linked to human-centred engagement.
• Media will also explain how the questions and use of data suggest a picture of the approach to ART which is not accurate. | | Reasoning for response | To reiterate the person-centric approach the NDIA takes with ART matters and clarify data round hearings/ART outcomes. | | Enquiry/Questions | Hello,

I am looking for a comment about the rate of decision changes at tribunal - up from 58% to 70% in the last few years.

The NDIA also spent $37m on legal firms representing the agency at tribunals in 2023-2024. Can you explain why so many original decisions by agency staff are wrong and have to be reversed/changed at tribunal?

Why are these “negotiations” between the agency and participants not happening before the tribunal stage, at review or appeal?

Why are you hiring barristers to take on people with a disability, who often can’t afford legal representation?

What do you say to accusations that experts hired by the agency are not independent and are there to make recommendations on saving money?

What do you say to accusations that the NDIA is the new robodebt, causing harm to participants? Isn’t this claim borne out by the number of changed decisions at tribunal? My deadline is tomorrow at 10am.

Thanks, Julie | | Draft response | The following can be attributed to an NDIA spokesperson: |

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DOCUMENT 27

The data you have provided around changes to decisions under review changes does not reflect decisions made via substantive Tribunal hearings.

98% of matters are resolved prior to a substantive hearing in the Tribunal. Around a quarter of these cases are dismissed by the ART or withdrawn by the applicant.

In most cases, matters are resolved by agreement between the Agency and the applicant. A change in the NDIA’s position prior to a substantive hearing is primarily the result of new information being provided as we work closely with participants earlier in the appeal process.

This is why the NDIA is investing heavily in new approaches to dispute resolution which are focused on providing earlier, quicker and fair outcomes for all participants.

This work includes:

  • proactive calls to participants prior to internal reviews to achieve earlier resolution of issues, as well as clarity and support for some participants who may then no longer require an internal review
  • the introduction of an early assessment team whose role is to work with participants to better understand their circumstances and discussion options for resolving prior to an ART hearing
  • a range of initiatives which have contributed to an overall decrease in external legal expenditure

The NDIS Appeals Program, run by the Department of Social Services helps people with disability, and other people affected by reviewable decisions of the NDIA. Through this program, participants can access disability advocate and legal aid at no cost to themselves.

While the Agency works to ensure any disputes are resolved as early as possible, it remains the right of all participants to seek a review in the Tribunal. The Tribunal has as recently rejected claims for items including massage chairs, a motorcycle, elective surgery, solar panels and batteries, a drone, art supplies and other items which are not NDIS Supports.

In October 2024, new lists came into to bring greater clarity to what is, and what is not, a NDIS Support.

redacted: s47C - deliberative processes

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FOI 24/25-1528 DOCUMENT 27.1

Administrative Appeals Tribunal

AAT Caseload Report For the period 1 July 2024 to 13 October 2024

Division/Caseload Lodgements Finalisations On hand at period end Proportion of applications finalised within 12 months of lodgement Median time to finalise (weeks)1 Proportion of applications in relation to which decision under review changed2
Freedom of Information 51 38 169 76% 28 29%
General 1,121 1,144 2,707 74% 29 27%
Australian citizenship 126 147 274 85% 24 29%
Centrelink (2nd review) 231 308 573 79% 23 32%
Visa-related decisions relating to character 80 52 137 83% 11 29%
Workers’ Compensation 388 396 1,290 56% 48 29%
Other 296 241 433 87% 14 15%
Migration & Refugee 17,652 8,053 72,786 27% 175 23%
Migration 11,797 3,066 31,310 49% 55 44%
Refugee 5,855 4,987 41,476 14% 218 10%
National Disability Insurance Scheme 2,095 1,263 3,781 75% 28 70%
Security 2 0 4 - - -
Small Business Taxation 77 120 484 41% 61 62%
Social Services & Child Support 2,592 2,522 1,902 99% 11 26%
Centrelink (1st review) 2,007 1,964 1,314 99% 10 23%
Child Support 521 504 545 98% 14 38%
Paid Parental Leave 64 54 43 100% 11 19%
Taxation & Commercial 246 232 1,533 60% 38 56%
Taxation 221 190 1,449 56% 38 61%
Other 25 42 84 70% 39 30%
Veterans’ Appeals 52 63 153 48% 60 35%
AAT 23,888 13,435 83,539 50%3 52 29%

1Median time to finalise is measured in weeks from lodgement to finalisation. 2These figures relate to applications for review of decision and do not include other types of applications that may be made under the AAT Act or related legislation. The decision under review is treated as having been changed if the Tribunal varies or sets aside the decision or remits the matter to the decision-maker for reconsideration by way of a decision under section 43 of the Administrative Appeals Tribunal Act 1975 (AAT Act) or section 349 or 415 of the Migration Act 1958 or by way of a decision made in accordance with terms of agreement reached by the parties under section 34D or 42C of the AAT Act. 3The Portfolio Budget Statement for the AAT sets out a performance criterion target of 75% of applications finalised within 12 months of lodgement.

Note: This report has been produced for publication on the Administrative Appeals Tribunal (ART) website. For re-publication or other use, please contact the Report.RequestsMailbox@aat.gov.au to discuss intended use and ensure the accurate representation and communication of these figures. Figures may vary slightly between reports due to data changes that may occur between when reports are run.

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Administrative Appeals Tribunal

AAT Caseload Report For the period 1 July 2021 to 30 June 2022

Division/Caseload Lodgements Finalisations On hand at period end Proportion of applications finalised within 12 months of lodgement Median time to finalise (weeks)1 Proportion of applications in relation to which decision under review changed2
Freedom of Information 70 72 108 49% 55 21%
General 3,879 4,514 2,941 72% 27 29%
Australian citizenship 459 683 363 69% 33 28%
Centrelink (2nd review) 1,179 1,549 721 80% 24 26%
Visa-related decisions relating to character 414 360 187 88% 11 38%
Workers’ Compensation 1,167 1,264 1,292 54% 49 34%
Other 660 658 378 85% 14 24%
Migration & Refugee 20,936 20,892 56,129 27% 107 31%
Migration 10,193 15,073 19,104 26% 105 40%
Refugee 10,743 5,819 37,025 28% 113 7%
National Disability Insurance Scheme 5,918 3,348 4,193 90% 23 58%
Security 17 7 37 71% 51 0%
Small Business Taxation 317 297 469 82% 29 48%
Social Services & Child Support 12,138 11,996 2,342 >99% 9 21%
Centrelink (1st review) 9,698 9,526 1,665 >99% 8 18%
Child Support 2,271 2,292 660 >99% 12 34%
Paid Parental Leave 169 178 17 100% 8 9%
Taxation & Commercial 838 685 1,315 59% 39 39%
Taxation 738 553 1,199 57% 42 41%
Other 100 132 116 63% 32 33%
Veterans’ Appeals 161 196 186 58% 47 30%
AAT 44,274 42,007 67,720 58%3 30 30%

1Median time to finalise is measured in weeks from lodgement to finalisation. 2These figures relate to applications for review of decision and do not include other types of applications that may be made under the AAT Act or related legislation. The decision under review is treated as having been changed if the Tribunal varies or sets aside the decision or remits the matter to the decision-maker for reconsideration by way of a decision under section 43 of the Administrative Appeals Tribunal Act 1975 (AAT Act) or section 43 or 406 of the Migration Act 1958 or by way of a decision made in accordance with terms of agreement reached by the parties under section 34D or 42C of the AAT Act. 3The Portfolio Budget Statement for the AAT sets out a performance criterion target of 75% of applications finalised within 12 months of lodgement.

Note: This report has been produced for publication on the Administrative Appeals Tribunal (AAT) website. For re-publication or other use, please contact the Report.RequestsMailbox@aat.gov.au to discuss intended use and ensure the accurate representation and communication of these figures. Figures may vary slightly between reports due to data changes that may occur between when reports are run.

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DOCUMENT 27.2

FOI 24/25-1528 DOCUMENT 28

From: Flowers, Daniel Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2025 6:02 PM To: media; Swainson, Matthew Cc: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant ma, Mitchell; REES, Shannon; O’Byrne, Tom; redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii), Julian Subject: RE: FOR REVIEW: Media enquiry (NewsCorp) - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Hi All,

I’ve made a few minor edits below. Matt, not sure if you want to keep the s10 narrative, happy to discuss.

Thanks,

Daniel Flowers Acting General Manager, Chief Counsel National Disability Insurance Agency M: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material | E daniel.flowers@ndis.gov.au

Delivered by the National Disability Insurance Agency

The NDIA acknowledges the Traditional Custodians of Country throughout Australia and their continuing connection to land, sea and community. We pay our respects to them and their cultures and to Elders past, present and emerging.

From: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrele, Ben On Behalf Of media

Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2025 6:13 PM

To: Swainson, Matthew

Cc: Flowers, Daniel; redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant mat, Mitchell; media; REES, Shannon; O’Byrne, Tom; redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii), Julian

Subject: FOR REVIEW: Media enquiry (NewsCorp) - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Importance: High

Good evening Matt,

Please see below draft response for NewsCorp (Julie Cross) re ART processes.

Thanks,

Ben

| Media enquiry ||| | :— | :— | | Journalist/media outlet | Julie Cross (NewsCorp) | | Deadline for approval | ASAP please | | Journalist deadline to receive NDIA response | Thursday 10am (MO keen to see our response tonight) | | Enquiry topic | The NDIA and ART outcomes/approach | | Approvals to date | a/g Dir, Media
BM, Media
GM, Media | | Approvals to come | DCEO (Gov, Risk & Legal)
CEO | | Background information | • Journalist provided data (from ART) that compares 2021-22 figures with a 3-month period from 2024 (attached)
• NDIA media has spoken with journalist
• NDIA media will again contact journalist to press for accountability on the claims around Robodebt and remind them of their need to demonstrate evidence as to how automated decision-making can be linked to human-centred engagement.
• Media will also explain how the questions and use of data suggest a picture of the approach to ART which is not accurate. | | Reasoning for response | To reiterate the person-centric approach the NDIA takes with ART matters and clarify data round hearings/ART outcomes. | | Enquiry/Questions | Hello, |

1 Page 88 of 217

I am looking for a comment about the rate of decision changes at tribunal - up from 58% to 70% in the last few years.

The NDIA also spent $37m on legal firms representing the agency at tribunals in 2023-2024. Can you explain why so many original decisions by agency staff are wrong and have to be reversed/changed at tribunal?

Why are these “negotiations” between the agency and participants not happening before the tribunal stage, at review or appeal?

Why are you hiring barristers to take on people with a disability, who often can’t afford legal representation?

What do you say to accusations that experts hired by the agency are not independent and are there to make recommendations on saving money?

What do you say to accusations that the NDIA is the new robodebt, causing harm to participants? Isn’t this claim borne out by the number of changed decisions at tribunal? My deadline is tomorrow at 10am.

Thanks, Julie

| Draft response | The following can be attributed to an NDIA spokesperson: |

The data you have provided around changes to decisions under review does not reflect decisions made via substantive Tribunal hearings.

98% of matters are resolved prior to a substantive hearing in the Tribunal. Around a quarter of these cases are dismissed by the ART or withdrawn by the applicant.

In most cases, matters are resolved by agreement between the Agency and the applicant. A change in the NDIA’s position prior to a substantive hearing is primarily the result of new information being provided as we work closely with participants earlier in the appeal process.

This is why the NDIA is investing heavily in new approaches to dispute resolution which are focused on providing earlier, quicker and fair outcomes for all participants.

This work includes:

  • proactive calls to participants prior to internal reviews to achieve earlier resolution of issues, as well as clarity and support for some participants who may then no longer require an internal review
  • the introduction of an early assessment team whose role is to work with participants to better understand their circumstances and discussion options for resolving prior to an ART hearing
  • a range of initiatives which have contributed to an overall decrease in external legal expenditure

The NDIS Appeals Program, run by the Department of Social Services helps people with disability, and other people affected by reviewable decisions of the NDIA. Through this program, participants can access disability advocate and legal aid at no cost to themselves.

While the Agency works to ensure any disputes are resolved as early as possible, it remains the right of all participants to seek a review in the Tribunal. The Tribunal has as recently rejected claims for items including massage chairs, a motorcycle, elective surgery, solar panels and batteries, a drone, art supplies and other items which are not NDIS Supports.

In October 2024, new NDIS legislation and rules commenced which provide greater clarity to what is, and what is not, a NDIS Support.

redacted: s47C - deliberative processes

2 Page 89 of 217

FOI 24/25-1528 DOCUMENT 29

From: Swainson, Matthew Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2025 6:17 PM To: Flowers, Daniel; media Cc: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant ma, Mitchell; REES, Shannon; O’Byrne, Tom; redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii), Julian Subject: Matt S review: NewsCorp - ART matters

Suggest deleting highlighted sections

From: Flowers, Daniel

Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2025 6:32 PM To: media; Swainson, Matthew Cc: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant mat, Mitchell; REES, Shannon; O’Byrne, Tom; redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii), Julian Subject: RE: FOR REVIEW: Media enquiry (NewsCorp) - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Hi All,

I’ve made a few minor edits below. Matt, not sure if you want to keep the s10 narrative, happy to discuss.

Thanks,

Daniel Flowers Acting General Manager, Chief Counsel National Disability Insurance Agency M: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material | E daniel.flowers@ndis.gov.au

Delivered by the National Disability Insurance Agency

The NDIA acknowledges the Traditional Custodians of Country throughout Australia and their continuing connection to land, sea and community. We pay our respects to them and their cultures and to Elders past, present and emerging.

From: Ben <Ben.redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant@ndis.gov.au> On Behalf Of media

Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2025 6:13 PM

To: Swainson, Matthew Matthew.Swainson@ndis.gov.au

Cc: Flowers, Daniel Daniel.Flowers@ndis.gov.au; redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant mat, Mitchell <Mitchell.redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant@ndis.gov.au>; media media@ndis.gov.au; REES, Shannon Shannon.REES@ndis.gov.au; O’Byrne, Tom; redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii), Julian <Julian.redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant@ndis.gov.au>

Subject: FOR REVIEW: Media enquiry (NewsCorp) - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Importance: High

Good evening Matt,

Please see below draft response for NewsCorp (Julie Cross) re ART processes.

Thanks,

Ben

| Media enquiry ||| | :— | :— | | Journalist/media outlet | Julie Cross (NewsCorp) | | Deadline for approval | ASAP please | | Journalist deadline to receive NDIA response | Thursday 10am (MO keen to see our response tonight) | | Enquiry topic | The NDIA and ART outcomes/approach | | Approvals to date | a/g Dir, Media
BM, Media
GM, Media | | Approvals to come | DCEO (Gov, Risk & Legal)
CEO | | Background information | • Journalist provided data (from ART) that compares 2021-22 figures with a 3-month period from 2024 (attached)
• NDIA media has spoken with journalist |

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  • NDIA media will again contact journalist to press for accountability on the claims around Robodebt and remind them of their need to demonstrate evidence as to how automated decision-making can be linked to human-centred engagement.
  • Media will also explain how the questions and use of data suggest a picture of the approach to ART which is not accurate.

| Reasoning for response | To reiterate the person-centric approach the NDIA takes with ART matters and clarify data round hearings/ART outcomes. | | Enquiry/Questions | Hello,

I am looking for a comment about the rate of decision changes at tribunal - up from 58% to 70% in the last few years.

The NDIA also spent $37m on legal firms representing the agency at tribunals in 2023-2024.

Can you explain why so many original decisions by agency staff are wrong and have to be reversed/changed at tribunal?

Why are these “negotiations” between the agency and participants not happening before the tribunal stage, at review or appeal?

Why are you hiring barristers to take on people with a disability, who often can’t afford legal representation?

What do you say to accusations that experts hired by the agency are not independent and are there to make recommendations on saving money?

What do you say to accusations that the NDIA is the new robodebt, causing harm to participants? Isn’t this claim borne out by the number of changed decisions at tribunal?

My deadline is tomorrow at 10am.

Thanks, Julie | | Draft response | The following can be attributed to an NDIA spokesperson: |

The data you have provided around changes to decisions under review does not reflect decisions made via substantive Tribunal hearings.

98% of matters are resolved prior to a substantive hearing in the Tribunal. Around a quarter of these cases are dismissed by the ART or withdrawn by the applicant.

In most cases, matters are resolved by agreement between the Agency and the applicant. A change in the NDIA’s position prior to a substantive hearing is primarily the result of new information being provided as we work closely with participants earlier in the appeal process.

This is why the NDIA is investing heavily in new approaches to dispute resolution which are focused on providing earlier, quicker and fair outcomes for all participants.

This work includes:

  • proactive calls to participants prior to internal reviews to achieve earlier resolution of issues, as well as clarity and support for some participants who may then no longer require an internal review
  • the introduction of an early assessment team whose role is to work with participants to better understand their circumstances and discussion options for resolving prior to an ART hearing
  • a range of initiatives which have contributed to an overall decrease in external legal expenditure

The NDIS Appeals Program, run by the Department of Social Services helps people with disability, and other people affected by reviewable decisions of the NDIA. Through this program, participants can access disability advocate and legal aid at no cost to themselves.

While the Agency works to ensure any disputes are resolved as early as possible, it remains the right of all participants to seek a review in the Tribunal. The Tribunal has as recently rejected claims

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for items including massage chairs, a motorcycle, elective surgery, solar panels and batteries, a drone, art supplies and other items which are not NDIS Supports.

In October 2024, new NDIS legislation and rules commenced which provide greater clarity to what is, and what is not, a NDIS Support.

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FOI 24/25-1528 DOCUMENT 30

From: O’Byrne, Tom

Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2025 6:45 PM

To: media; REES, Shannon

Subject: Fw: FOR REVIEW: Media enquiry (NewsCorp) - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Hey team if we can move this to RF and then MO tonight, but hold fire on responding to journalists once approved.

Both myself and Shan will speak to her tomorrow before we respond with quotes.

Tom

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From: Swainson, Matthew

Sent: Wednesday, March 5, 2025 6:46:39 PM

To: Flowers, Daniel; media

Cc: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant ma, Mitchell; REES, Shannon; O’Byrne, Tom; redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii), Julian

Subject: RE: FOR REVIEW: Media enquiry (NewsCorp) - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Suggest deleting highlighted sections

From: Flowers, Daniel Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2025 6:32 PM To: media; Swainson, Matthew Cc: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant mat, Mitchell; REES, Shannon; O’Byrne, Tom; redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii), Julian Subject: RE: FOR REVIEW: Media enquiry (NewsCorp) - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Hi All,

I’ve made a few minor edits below. Matt, not sure if you want to keep the s10 narrative, happy to discuss.

Thanks,

Daniel Flowers Acting General Manager, Chief Counsel National Disability Insurance Agency M: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material | E daniel.flowers@ndis.gov.au

Delivered by the National Disability Insurance Agency

The NDIA acknowledges the Traditional Custodians of Country throughout Australia and their continuing connection to land, sea and community. We pay our respects to them and their cultures and to Elders past, present and emerging.

From: Ben <Ben.redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant@ndis.gov.au> On Behalf Of media

Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2025 6:13 PM

To: Swainson, Matthew Matthew.Swainson@ndis.gov.au

Cc: Flowers, Daniel Daniel.Flowers@ndis.gov.au; redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant mat, Mitchell <Mitchell.redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant@ndis.gov.au>; media media@ndis.gov.au; REES, Shannon Shannon.REES@ndis.gov.au; O’Byrne, Tom; redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii), Julian <Julian.redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant@ndis.gov.au>

Subject: FOR REVIEW: Media enquiry (NewsCorp) - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Importance: High

Good evening Matt,

Please see below draft response for NewsCorp (Julie Cross) re ART processes.

Thanks,

Ben

| Media enquiry ||| | :— | :— | | Journalist/media outlet | Julie Cross (NewsCorp) | | Deadline for approval | ASAP please | | Journalist deadline to receive NDIA response | Thursday 10am (MO keen to see our response tonight) | | Enquiry topic | The NDIA and ART outcomes/approach | | Approvals to date | a/g Dir, Media
BM, Media
GM, Media | | Approvals to come | DCEO (Gov, Risk & Legal)
CEO | | Background information | • Journalist provided data (from ART) that compares 2021-22 figures with a 3-month period from 2024 (attached)
• NDIA media has spoken with journalist
• NDIA media will again contact journalist to press for accountability on the claims around Robodebt and remind them of their need to demonstrate evidence as to how |

1 Page 94 of 217

automated decision-making can be linked to human-centred engagement.

  • Media will also explain how the questions and use of data suggest a picture of the approach to ART which is not accurate.

| Reasoning for response | To reiterate the person-centric approach the NDIA takes with ART matters and clarify data round hearings/ART outcomes. | | Enquiry/Questions | Hello,

I am looking for a comment about the rate of decision changes at tribunal - up from 58% to 70% in the last few years.

The NDIA also spent $37m on legal firms representing the agency at tribunals in 2023-2024.

Can you explain why so many original decisions by agency staff are wrong and have to be reversed/changed at tribunal?

Why are these “negotiations” between the agency and participants not happening before the tribunal stage, at review or appeal?

Why are you hiring barristers to take on people with a disability, who often can’t afford legal representation?

What do you say to accusations that experts hired by the agency are not independent and are there to make recommendations on saving money?

What do you say to accusations that the NDIA is the new robodebt, causing harm to participants? Isn’t this claim borne out by the number of changed decisions at tribunal?

My deadline is tomorrow at 10am.

Thanks, Julie | | Draft response | The following can be attributed to an NDIA spokesperson: |

The data you have provided around changes to decisions under review does not reflect decisions made via substantive Tribunal hearings.

98% of matters are resolved prior to a substantive hearing in the Tribunal. Around a quarter of these cases are dismissed by the ART or withdrawn by the applicant.

In most cases, matters are resolved by agreement between the Agency and the applicant. A change in the NDIA’s position prior to a substantive hearing is primarily the result of new information being provided as we work closely with participants earlier in the appeal process.

This is why the NDIA is investing heavily in new approaches to dispute resolution which are focused on providing earlier, quicker and fair outcomes for all participants.

This work includes:

  • proactive calls to participants prior to internal reviews to achieve earlier resolution of issues, as well as clarity and support for some participants who may then no longer require an internal review
  • the introduction of an early assessment team whose role is to work with participants to better understand their circumstances and discussion options for resolving prior to an ART hearing
  • a range of initiatives which have contributed to an overall decrease in external legal expenditure

While the Agency works to ensure any disputes are resolved as early as possible, it remains the right of all participants to seek a review in the Tribunal.

In October 2024, new NDIS legislation and rules commenced which provide greater clarity to what is, and what is not, a NDIS Support.

redacted: s47C - deliberative processes

2 Page 95 of 217

From: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - ir, Ben on behalf of media

Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2025 6:52 PM

To: Falkingham, Rebecca

Cc: media; REES, Shannon; O’Byrne, Tom; redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii), Julian

Subject: FOR REVIEW: Media enquiry (NewsCorp) - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Attachments: image0.jpeg; image1.jpeg; Matt S review: NewsCorp - ART matters

Importance: High

Good evening Rebecca,

Please see below draft response for NewsCorp (Julie Cross) re ART processes.

If you’re comfortable, we’ll send to the MO (who are keen to see our response) but won’t return to Julie until we speak further with her.

Thanks,

Ben

| Media enquiry ||| | :— | :— | | Journalist/media outlet | Julie Cross (NewsCorp) | | Deadline for approval | ASAP please | | Journalist deadline to receive NDIA response | Thursday 10am (MO keen to see our response tonight) | | Enquiry topic | The NDIA and ART outcomes/approach | | Approvals to date | a/g Dir, Media
BM, Media
GM, Media
DCEO (Gov, Risk & Legal) - see attached | | Approvals to come | CEO | | Background information | • Journalist provided data (from ART) that compares 2021-22 figures with a 3-month period from 2024 (attached)
• NDIA media has spoken with journalist
• NDIA media (Shannon/Tom) will again contact journalist to press for accountability on the claims around Robodebt and remind them of their need to demonstrate evidence as to how automated decision-making can be linked to human-centred engagement.
• Media will also explain how the questions and use of data suggest a picture of the approach to ART which is not accurate. | | Reasoning for response | To reiterate the person-centric approach the NDIA takes with ART matters and clarify data round hearings/ART outcomes. | | Enquiry/Questions | Hello,

I am looking for a comment about the rate of decision changes at tribunal - up from 58% to 70% in the last few years.

The NDIA also spent $37m on legal firms representing the agency at tribunals in 2023-2024. Can you explain why so many original decisions by agency staff are wrong and have to be reversed/changed at tribunal?

Why are these

| Draft response | The following can be attributed to an NDIA spokesperson: |

The data you have provided around changes to decisions under review does not reflect decisions made via substantive Tribunal hearings.

98% of matters are resolved prior to a substantive hearing in the Tribunal. Around a quarter of these cases are dismissed by the ART or withdrawn by the applicant.

In most cases, matters are resolved by agreement between the Agency and the applicant. A change in the NDIA’s position prior to a substantive hearing is primarily the result of new information being provided as we work closely with participants earlier in the appeal process.

This is why the NDIA is investing heavily in new approaches to dispute resolution which are focused on providing earlier, quicker and fair outcomes for all participants.

This work includes:

  • proactive calls to participants prior to internal reviews to achieve earlier resolution of issues, as well as clarity and support for some participants who may then no longer require an internal review
  • the introduction of an early assessment team whose role is to work with participants to better understand their circumstances and discussion options for resolving prior to an ART hearing
  • a range of initiatives which have contributed to an overall decrease in external legal expenditure

While the Agency works to ensure any disputes are resolved as early as possible, it remains the right of all participants to seek a review in the Tribunal.

In October 2024, new NDIS legislation and rules commenced which provide greater clarity to what is, and what is not, a NDIS Support.

From: Cross, Julie julie.cross@news.com.au Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2025 11:03 AM To: media media@ndis.gov.au Subject: Media request

Hello, I am looking for a comment about the rate of decision changes at tribunal - up from 58% to 70% in the last few years.

The NDIA also spent $37m on legal firms representing the agency at tribunals in 2023-2024. Can you explain why so many original decisions by agency staff are wrong and have to be reversed/changed at tribunal?

Why are these “negotiations” between the agency and participants not happening before the tribunal stage, at review or appeal?

Why are you hiring barristers to take on people with a disability, who often can’t afford legal representation? What do you say to accusations that experts hired by the agency are not independent and are there to make recommendations on saving money? What do you say to accusations that the NDIA is the new robodebt, causing harm to participants? Isn’t this claim borne out by the number of changed decisions at tribunal? My deadline is tomorrow at 10am. Thanks, Julie

JULIE CROSS Social Affairs Reporter

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Administrative Appeals Tribunal

AAT Caseload Report For the period 1 July 2024 to 13 October 2024

Division/Caseload Lodgements Finalisations On hand at period end Proportion of applications finalised within 12 months of lodgement Median time to finalise (weeks)1 Proportion of applications in relation to which decision under review changed2
Freedom of Information 51 38 169 76% 28 29%
General 1,121 1,144 2,707 74% 29 27%
Australian citizenship 126 147 274 85% 24 29%
Centrelink (2nd review) 231 308 573 79% 23 32%
Visa-related decisions relating to character 80 52 137 83% 11 29%
Workers’ Compensation 388 396 1,290 56% 48 29%
Other 296 241 433 87% 14 15%
Migration & Refugee 17,652 8,053 72,786 27% 175 23%
Migration 11,797 3,066 31,310 49% 55 44%
Refugee 5,855 4,987 41,476 14% 218 10%
National Disability Insurance Scheme 2,095 1,263 3,781 75% 28 70%
Security 2 0 4 - - -
Small Business Taxation 77 120 484 41% 61 62%
Social Services & Child Support 2,592 2,522 1,902 99% 11 26%
Centrelink (1st review) 2,007 1,964 1,314 99% 10 23%
Child Support 521 504 545 98% 14 38%
Paid Parental Leave 64 54 43 100% 11 19%
Taxation & Commercial 246 232 1,533 60% 38 56%
Taxation 221 190 1,449 56% 38 61%
Other 25 42 84 70% 39 30%
Veterans’ Appeals 52 63 153 48% 60 35%
AAT 23,888 13,435 83,539 50%3 52 29%

1Median time to finalise is measured in weeks from lodgement to finalisation. 2These figures relate to applications for review of decision and do not include other types of applications that may be made under the AAT Act or related legislation. The decision under review is treated as having been changed if the Tribunal varies or sets aside the decision or remits the matter to the decision-maker for reconsideration by way of a decision under section 43 of the Administrative Appeals Tribunal Act 1975 (AAT Act) or section 349 or 415 of the Migration Act 1958 or by way of a decision made in accordance with terms of agreement reached by the parties under section 34D or 42C of the AAT Act. 3The Portfolio Budget Statement for the AAT sets out a performance criterion target of 75% of applications finalised within 12 months of lodgement.

Note: This report has been produced for publication on the Administrative Appeals Tribunal (ART) website. For re-publication or other use, please contact the Report.RequestsMailbox@aat.gov.au to discuss intended use and ensure the accurate representation and communication of these figures. Figures may vary slightly between reports due to data changes that may occur between when reports are run.

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Administrative Appeals Tribunal

AAT Caseload Report For the period 1 July 2021 to 30 June 2022

Division/Caseload Lodgements Finalisations On hand at period end Proportion of applications finalised within 12 months of lodgement Median time to finalise (weeks)1 Proportion of applications in relation to which decision under review changed2
Freedom of Information 70 72 108 49% 55 21%
General 3,879 4,514 2,941 72% 27 29%
Australian citizenship 459 683 363 69% 33 28%
Centrelink (2nd review) 1,179 1,549 721 80% 24 26%
Visa-related decisions relating to character 414 360 187 88% 11 38%
Workers’ Compensation 1,167 1,264 1,292 54% 49 34%
Other 660 658 378 85% 14 24%
Migration & Refugee 20,936 20,892 56,129 27% 107 31%
Migration 10,193 15,073 19,104 26% 105 40%
Refugee 10,743 5,819 37,025 28% 113 7%
National Disability Insurance Scheme 5,918 3,348 4,193 90% 23 58%
Security 17 7 37 71% 51 0%
Small Business Taxation 317 297 469 82% 29 48%
Social Services & Child Support 12,138 11,996 2,342 >99% 9 21%
Centrelink (1st review) 9,698 9,526 1,665 >99% 8 18%
Child Support 2,271 2,292 660 >99% 12 34%
Paid Parental Leave 169 178 17 100% 8 9%
Taxation & Commercial 838 685 1,315 59% 39 39%
Taxation 738 553 1,199 57% 42 41%
Other 100 132 116 63% 32 33%
Veterans’ Appeals 161 196 186 58% 47 30%
AAT 44,274 42,007 67,720 58%3 30 30%

1Median time to finalise is measured in weeks from lodgement to finalisation. 2These figures relate to applications for review of decision and do not include other types of applications that may be made under the AAT Act or related legislation. The decision under review is treated as having been changed if the Tribunal varies or sets aside the decision or remits the matter to the decision-maker for reconsideration by way of a decision under section 43 of the Administrative Appeals Tribunal Act 1975 (AAT Act) or section 43 or 406 of the Migration Act 1958 or by way of a decision made in accordance with terms of agreement reached by the parties under section 34D or 42C of the AAT Act. 3The Portfolio Budget Statement for the AAT sets out a performance criterion target of 75% of applications finalised within 12 months of lodgement.

Note: This report has been produced for publication on the Administrative Appeals Tribunal (AAT) website. For re-publication or other use, please contact the Report.RequestsMailbox@aat.gov.au to discuss intended use and ensure the accurate representation and communication of these figures. Figures may vary slightly between reports due to data changes that may occur between when reports are run.

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From: Falkingham, Rebecca Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2025 6:59 PM To: media Cc: media; REES, Shannon; O’Byrne, Tom; redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material, Julian Subject: Re: FOR REVIEW: Media enquiry (NewsCorp) - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

This is an excellent response. My only suggestion is whether we can put percentage in to contextualise how few participants end up at ART.

From: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material, Ben on behalf of media Sent: Wednesday, March 5, 2025 7:22:12 PM To: Falkingham, Rebecca Cc: media; REES, Shannon; O’Byrne, Tom; redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material, Julian Subject: FOR REVIEW: Media enquiry (NewsCorp) - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Good evening Rebecca,

Please see below draft response for NewsCorp (Julie Cross) re ART processes.

If you’re comfortable, we’ll send to the MO (who are keen to see our response) but won’t return to Julie until we speak further with her. Thanks, Ben

Media enquiry
Journalist/media outlet
Deadline for approval
Journalist deadline to receive NDIA response
Enquiry topic
Approvals to date
Approvals to come
Background information
Reasoning for response
Enquiry/Questions
Draft response

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The data you have provided around changes to decisions under review does not reflect decisions made via substantive Tribunal hearings.

98% of matters are resolved prior to a substantive hearing in the Tribunal. Around a quarter of these cases are dismissed by the ART or withdrawn by the applicant.

In most cases, matters are resolved by agreement between the Agency and the applicant. A change in the NDIA’s position prior to a substantive hearing is primarily the result of new information being provided as we work closely with participants earlier in the appeal process.

This is why the NDIA is investing heavily in new approaches to dispute resolution which are focused on providing earlier, quicker and fair outcomes for all participants.

This work includes:

  • proactive calls to participants prior to internal reviews to achieve earlier resolution of issues, as well as clarity and support for some participants who may then no longer require an internal review
  • the introduction of an early assessment team whose role is to work with participants to better understand their circumstances and discussion options for resolving prior to an ART hearing
  • a range of initiatives which have contributed to an overall decrease in external legal expenditure

While the Agency works to ensure any disputes are resolved as early as possible, it remains the right of all participants to seek a review in the Tribunal.

In October 2024, new NDIS legislation and rules commenced which provide greater clarity to what is, and what is not, a NDIS Support.

From: Cross, Julie julie.cross@news.com.au Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2025 11:03 AM To: media media@ndis.gov.au Subject: Media request

Hello,

I am looking for a comment about the rate of decision changes at tribunal - up from 58% to 70% in the last few years.

The NDIA also spent $37m on legal firms representing the agency at tribunals in 2023-2024.

Can you explain why so many original decisions by agency staff are wrong and have to be reversed/changed at tribunal?

Why are these “negotiations” between the agency and participants not happening before the tribunal stage, at review or appeal?

Why are you hiring barristers to take on people with a disability, who often can’t afford legal representation?

What do you say to accusations that experts hired by the agency are not independent and are there to make recommendations on saving money?

What do you say to accusations that the NDIA is the new robodebt, causing harm to participants? Isn’t this claim borne out by the number of changed decisions at tribunal?

My deadline is tomorrow at 10am.

Thanks,

Julie

JULIE CROSS Social Affairs Reporter

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FOI 24/25-1528 DOCUMENT 33

From: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material, Ben on behalf of media Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2025 7:18 PM To: Flowers, Daniel Cc: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material, Rosalynn; media; O’Byrne, Tom; REES, Shannon Subject: ASSISTANCE REQ’D: Media enquiry (NewsCorp) - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Hi Dan,

Thanks for your guidance with this one today.

Per the CEO’s feedback below, just reaching out again to see you/your team might have numbers/percentage of how many ppts actually end up at the ART?

Not urgent now, but would be great if we can get early tomorrow so we can add in before returning response to the journalist.

Thanks,

Ben

From: Falkingham, Rebecca Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2025 7:29 PM To: media Cc: media; REES, Shannon; O’Byrne, Tom; redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material, Julian Subject: Re: FOR REVIEW: Media enquiry (NewsCorp) - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

This is an excellent response. My only suggestion is whether we can put percentage in to contextualise how few participants end up at ART.

From: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material, Ben <redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material> on behalf of media media@ndis.gov.au Sent: Wednesday, March 5, 2025 7:22:12 PM To: Falkingham, Rebecca Rebecca.Falkingham@ndis.gov.au Cc: media media@ndis.gov.au; REES, Shannon Shannon.REES@ndis.gov.au; O’Byrne, Tom; redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material, Julian <redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material> Subject: FOR REVIEW: Media enquiry (NewsCorp) - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Good evening Rebecca,

Please see below draft response for NewsCorp (Julie Cross) re ART processes.

If you’re comfortable, we’ll send to the MO (who are keen to see our response) but won’t return to Julie until we speak further with her.

Thanks,

Ben

Media enquiry
Journalist/media outlet
Deadline for approval
Journalist deadline to receive NDIA response
Enquiry topic
Approvals to date
Approvals to come
Background information
Reasoning for response
Enquiry/Questions

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The NDIA also spent $37m on legal firms representing the agency at tribunals in 2023-2024.

Can you explain why so many original decisions by agency staff are wrong and have to be reversed/changed at tribunal?

Why are these “negotiations” between the agency and participants not happening before the tribunal stage, at review or appeal?

Why are you hiring barristers to take on people with a disability, who often can’t afford legal representation?

What do you say to accusations that experts hired by the agency are not independent and are there to make recommendations on saving money?

What do you say to accusations that the NDIA is the new robodebt, causing harm to participants? Isn’t this claim borne out by the number of changed decisions at tribunal?

My deadline is tomorrow at 10am.

Thanks,

Julie

Draft response

The following can be attributed to an NDIA spokesperson:

The data you have provided around changes to decisions under review does not reflect decisions made via substantive Tribunal hearings.

98% of matters are resolved prior to a substantive hearing in the Tribunal. Around a quarter of these cases are dismissed by the ART or withdrawn by the applicant.

In most cases, matters are resolved by agreement between the Agency and the applicant. A change in the NDIA’s position prior to a substantive hearing is primarily the result of new information being provided as we work closely with participants earlier in the appeal process.

This is why the NDIA is investing heavily in new approaches to dispute resolution which are focused on providing earlier, quicker and fair outcomes for all participants.

This work includes:

  • proactive calls to participants prior to internal reviews to achieve earlier resolution of issues, as well as clarity and support for some participants who may then no longer require an internal review
  • the introduction of an early assessment team whose role is to work with participants to better understand their circumstances and discussion options for resolving prior to an ART hearing
  • a range of initiatives which have contributed to an overall decrease in external legal expenditure

While the Agency works to ensure any disputes are resolved as early as possible, it remains the right of all participants to seek a review in the Tribunal.

In October 2024, new NDIS legislation and rules commenced which provide greater clarity to what is, and what is not, a NDIS Support.

From: Cross, Julie julie.cross@news.com.au Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2025 11:03 AM To: media media@ndis.gov.au Subject: Media request

Hello,

I am looking for a comment about the rate of decision changes at tribunal - up from 58% to 70% in the last few years.

The NDIA also spent $37m on legal firms representing the agency at tribunals in 2023-2024.

Can you explain why so many original decisions by agency staff are wrong and have to be reversed/changed at tribunal?

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Why are these “negotiations” between the agency and participants not happening before the tribunal stage, at review or appeal?

Why are you hiring barristers to take on people with a disability, who often can’t afford legal representation?

What do you say to accusations that experts hired by the agency are not independent and are there to make recommendations on saving money?

What do you say to accusations that the NDIA is the new robodebt, causing harm to participants? Isn’t this claim borne out by the number of changed decisions at tribunal?

My deadline is tomorrow at 10am.

Thanks,

Julie

JULIE CROSS Social Affairs Reporter

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2 Holt Street Surry Hills NSW 2010 GPO Box - GPO Box 7002, Sydney 2001 M redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material E julie.cross@news.com.au

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FOI 24/25-1528 DOCUMENT 34

From: Flowers, Daniel Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2025 8:18 PM To: media; redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material, Justin; redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material, Marija Cc: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material, Rosalynn; O’Byrne, Tom; REES, Shannon Subject: RE: ASSISTANCE REQ’D: Media enquiry (NewsCorp) - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Hi Ben,

We can do that. Justin, can you pull this data ASAP in the morning?

Thanks,

Daniel Flowers Acting General Manager, Chief Counsel National Disability Insurance Agency M redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material E daniel.flowers@ndis.gov.au

Delivered by the National Disability Insurance Agency

The NDIA acknowledges the Traditional Custodians of Country throughout Australia and their continuing connection to land, sea and community. We pay our respects to them and their cultures and to Elders past, present and emerging.

From: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material, Ben On Behalf Of media Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2025 7:48 PM To: Flowers, Daniel Cc: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material, Rosalynn; media; O’Byrne, Tom; REES, Shannon Subject: ASSISTANCE REQ’D: Media enquiry (NewsCorp) - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Hi Dan,

Thanks for your guidance with this one today.

Per the CEO’s feedback below, just reaching out again to see you/your team might have numbers/percentage of how many ppts actually end up at the ART?

Not urgent now, but would be great if we can get early tomorrow so we can add in before returning response to the journalist.

Thanks,

Ben

From: Falkingham, Rebecca Rebecca.Falkingham@ndis.gov.au Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2025 7:29 PM To: media media@ndis.gov.au Cc: media media@ndis.gov.au; REES, Shannon Shannon.REES@ndis.gov.au; O’Byrne, Tom; redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material, Julian <redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material> Subject: Re: FOR REVIEW: Media enquiry (NewsCorp) - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

This is an excellent response. My only suggestion is whether we can put percentage in to contextualise how few participants end up at ART.

From: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material, Ben <redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material> on behalf of media media@ndis.gov.au Sent: Wednesday, March 5, 2025 7:22:12 PM To: Falkingham, Rebecca Rebecca.Falkingham@ndis.gov.au Cc: media media@ndis.gov.au; REES, Shannon Shannon.REES@ndis.gov.au; O’Byrne, Tom; redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material, Julian <redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material> Subject: FOR REVIEW: Media enquiry (NewsCorp) - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Good evening Rebecca,

Please see below draft response for NewsCorp (Julie Cross) re ART processes.

If you’re comfortable, we’ll send to the MO (who are keen to see our response) but won’t return to Julie until we speak further with her.

Thanks,

Ben

Media enquiry

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| Journalist/media outlet | Julie Cross (NewsCorp) | | — | | Deadline for approval | ASAP please | | Journalist deadline to receive NDIA response | Thursday 10am
(MO keen to see our response tonight) | | Enquiry topic | The NDIA and ART outcomes/approach | | Approvals to date | a/g Dir, Media
BM, Media
GM, Media
DCEO (Gov, Risk & Legal) – see attached | | Approvals to come | CEO | | Background information | • Journalist provided data (from ART) that compares 2021-22 figures with a 3-month period from 2024 (attached)
• NDIA media has spoken with journalist
• NDIA media (Shannon/Tom) will again contact journalist to press for accountability on the claims around Robodebt and remind them of their need to demonstrate evidence as to how automated decision-making can be linked to human-centred engagement.
• Media will also explain how the questions and use of data suggest a picture of the approach to ART which is not accurate. | | Reasoning for response | To reiterate the person-centric approach the NDIA takes with ART matters and clarify data round hearings/ART outcomes. | | Enquiry/Questions | Hello,

I am looking for a comment about the rate of decision changes at tribunal - up from 58% to 70% in the last few years.

The NDIA also spent $37m on legal firms representing the agency at tribunals in 2023-2024.

Can you explain why so many original decisions by agency staff are wrong and have to be reversed/changed at tribunal?

Why are these “negotiations” between the agency and participants not happening before the tribunal stage, at review or appeal?

Why are you hiring barristers to take on people with a disability, who often can’t afford legal representation?

What do you say to accusations that experts hired by the agency are not independent and are there to make recommendations on saving money?

What do you say to accusations that the NDIA is the new robodebt, causing harm to participants? Isn’t this claim borne out by the number of changed decisions at tribunal?

My deadline is tomorrow at 10am.

Thanks,
Julie | | Draft response | The following can be attributed to an NDIA spokesperson:

The data you have provided around changes to decisions under review does not reflect decisions made via substantive Tribunal hearings.

98% of matters are resolved prior to a substantive hearing in the Tribunal. Around a quarter of these cases are dismissed by the ART or withdrawn by the applicant.

In most cases, matters are resolved by agreement between the Agency and the applicant. A change in the NDIA’s position prior to a substantive hearing is primarily the result of new information being provided as we work closely with participants earlier in the appeal process.

This is why the NDIA is investing heavily in new approaches to dispute resolution which are focused on providing earlier, quicker and fair outcomes for all participants.

This work includes: |

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  • proactive calls to participants prior to internal reviews to achieve earlier resolution of issues, as well as clarity and support for some participants who may then no longer require an internal review
  • the introduction of an early assessment team whose role is to work with participants to better understand their circumstances and discussion options for resolving prior to an ART hearing
  • a range of initiatives which have contributed to an overall decrease in external legal expenditure

While the Agency works to ensure any disputes are resolved as early as possible, it remains the right of all participants to seek a review in the Tribunal.

In October 2024, new NDIS legislation and rules commenced which provide greater clarity to what is, and what is not, a NDIS Support.

From: Cross, Julie julie.cross@news.com.au Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2025 11:03 AM To: media media@ndis.gov.au Subject: Media request

Hello,

I am looking for a comment about the rate of decision changes at tribunal - up from 58% to 70% in the last few years.

The NDIA also spent $37m on legal firms representing the agency at tribunals in 2023-2024.

Can you explain why so many original decisions by agency staff are wrong and have to be reversed/changed at tribunal?

Why are these “negotiations” between the agency and participants not happening before the tribunal stage, at review or appeal?

Why are you hiring barristers to take on people with a disability, who often can’t afford legal representation?

What do you say to accusations that experts hired by the agency are not independent and are there to make recommendations on saving money?

What do you say to accusations that the NDIA is the new robodebt, causing harm to participants? Isn’t this claim borne out by the number of changed decisions at tribunal?

My deadline is tomorrow at 10am.

Thanks,

Julie

JULIE CROSS Social Affairs Reporter

M redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material

2 Holt Street Surry Hills NSW 2010 GPO Box - GPO Box 7002, Sydney 2001 M redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material E julie.cross@news.com.au

This message and its attachments may contain legally privileged or confidential information. It is intended solely for the named addressee. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message or responsible for delivery of the message to the addressee, you may not copy or deliver this message or its attachments to anyone. Rather, you should permanently delete this message and its attachments and kindly notify the sender by reply e-mail. Any content of this message and its attachments which does not relate to the official business of the sending company must be taken not to have been sent or endorsed by that company or any of its related entities. No warranty is made that the e-mail or attachments are free from computer virus or other defect.

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From: Flowers, Daniel Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2025 7:55 AM To: media Cc: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material, Rosalynn; O’Byrne, Tom; REES, Shannon Subject: RE: ASSISTANCE REQ’D: Media enquiry (NewsCorp) - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Hi Ben,

Just had a look, this data is in the quarterly report. Suggest we use December quarter data which reflects 1.1% of participants have a matter in the ART.

Thanks,

Daniel Flowers Acting General Manager, Chief Counsel National Disability Insurance Agency M redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material E daniel.flowers@ndis.gov.au

The NDIA acknowledges the Traditional Custodians of Country throughout Australia and their continuing connection to land, sea and community. We pay our respects to them and their cultures and to Elders past, present and emerging.

From: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material, Ben On Behalf Of media Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2025 7:48 PM To: Flowers, Daniel Cc: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material, Rosalynn; media; O’Byrne, Tom; REES, Shannon Subject: ASSISTANCE REQ’D: Media enquiry (NewsCorp) - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Hi Dan,

Thanks for your guidance with this one today.

Per the CEO’s feedback below, just reaching out again to see you/your team might have numbers/percentage of how many ppts actually end up at the ART?

Not urgent now, but would be great if we can get early tomorrow so we can add in before returning response to the journalist.

Thanks,

Ben

From: Falkingham, Rebecca Rebecca.Falkingham@ndis.gov.au Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2025 7:29 PM To: media media@ndis.gov.au Cc: media media@ndis.gov.au; REES, Shannon Shannon.REES@ndis.gov.au; O’Byrne, Tom; redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material, Julian <redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material> Subject: Re: FOR REVIEW: Media enquiry (NewsCorp) - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

This is an excellent response. My only suggestion is whether we can put percentage in to contextualise how few participants end up at ART.

From: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material, Ben <redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material> on behalf of media media@ndis.gov.au Sent: Wednesday, March 5, 2025 7:22:12 PM To: Falkingham, Rebecca Rebecca.Falkingham@ndis.gov.au Cc: media media@ndis.gov.au; REES, Shannon Shannon.REES@ndis.gov.au; O’Byrne, Tom; redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material, Julian <redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material> Subject: FOR REVIEW: Media enquiry (NewsCorp) - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

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Good evening Rebecca,

Please see below draft response for NewsCorp (Julie Cross) re ART processes.

If you’re comfortable, we’ll send to the MO (who are keen to see our response) but won’t return to Julie until we speak further with her.

Thanks,

Ben

Media enquiry
Journalist/media outlet
Deadline for approval
Journalist deadline to receive NDIA response
Enquiry topic
Approvals to date
Approvals to come
Background information
Reasoning for response
Enquiry/Questions
Draft response

2 Page 111 of 217

In most cases, matters are resolved by agreement between the Agency and the applicant. A change in the NDIA’s position prior to a substantive hearing is primarily the result of new information being provided as we work closely with participants earlier in the appeal process.

This is why the NDIA is investing heavily in new approaches to dispute resolution which are focused on providing earlier, quicker and fair outcomes for all participants.

This work includes:

  • proactive calls to participants prior to internal reviews to achieve earlier resolution of issues, as well as clarity and support for some participants who may then no longer require an internal review
  • the introduction of an early assessment team whose role is to work with participants to better understand their circumstances and discussion options for resolving prior to an ART hearing
  • a range of initiatives which have contributed to an overall decrease in external legal expenditure

While the Agency works to ensure any disputes are resolved as early as possible, it remains the right of all participants to seek a review in the Tribunal.

In October 2024, new NDIS legislation and rules commenced which provide greater clarity to what is, and what is not, a NDIS Support.

From: Cross, Julie julie.cross@news.com.au Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2025 11:03 AM To: media media@ndis.gov.au Subject: Media request

Hello,

I am looking for a comment about the rate of decision changes at tribunal - up from 58% to 70% in the last few years.

The NDIA also spent $37m on legal firms representing the agency at tribunals in 2023-2024.

Can you explain why so many original decisions by agency staff are wrong and have to be reversed/changed at tribunal?

Why are these “negotiations” between the agency and participants not happening before the tribunal stage, at review or appeal?

Why are you hiring barristers to take on people with a disability, who often can’t afford legal representation?

What do you say to accusations that experts hired by the agency are not independent and are there to make recommendations on saving money?

What do you say to accusations that the NDIA is the new robodebt, causing harm to participants? Isn’t this claim borne out by the number of changed decisions at tribunal?

My deadline is tomorrow at 10am.

Thanks,

Julie

JULIE CROSS Social Affairs Reporter

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2 Holt Street Surry Hills NSW 2010 GPO Box - GPO Box 7002, Sydney 2001 M redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material E julie.cross@news.com.au

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From: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material, Ben on behalf of media Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2025 9:22 AM To: media Subject: FW: ASSISTANCE REQ’D: Media enquiry (NewsCorp) - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

From: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material, Ben On Behalf Of media Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2025 9:52 AM To: Flowers, Daniel; Gifford, David Cc: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material, Rosalynn; redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material, Tracey; O’Byrne, Tom; REES, Shannon; redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material, Justin Subject: RE: ASSISTANCE REQ’D: Media enquiry (NewsCorp) - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Hi Dan (thanks for the chat just now) and David,

Given our discussion Dan, would the below work? We understand this doesn’t align with the 1.1%, however we believe this accurate.

@Gifford, David … we have an enquiry relating to ART matters. Hoping you might please be able to review/clear the highlighted line below.

The QR states: ‘There were 1,895 new ART cases in the December 2024 quarter, relating to 1,871 participants (Figure 18). The number of new ART cases (as a proportion of active participants) has increased from 0.79% in the December 2022 quarter to 1.10% in the December 2024 quarter’

We understand Actuary uses a slightly different formula to arrive at the 1.1% figure … we’re hoping you’re comfortable with the below highlighted section (as CEO was keen to illustrate rate of ART matters as proportion of ppts)

Thanks,

Ben

The following can be attributed to an NDIA spokesperson:

The data you have provided around changes to decisions under review does not reflect decisions made via substantive Tribunal hearings.

In the recent quarter (Sep 1-Dec 31), there 1895 new cases at the Tribunal, relating to 1871 participants. That figure represents just 0.27% of all participants (692,823) the Scheme was supporting at December 31.

98% of matters are resolved prior to a substantive hearing in the Tribunal. Around a quarter of these cases are dismissed by the ART or withdrawn by the applicant.

In most cases, matters are resolved by agreement between the Agency and the applicant. A change in the NDIA’s position prior to a substantive hearing is primarily the result of new information being provided as we work closely with participants earlier in the appeal process.

This is why the NDIA is investing heavily in new approaches to dispute resolution which are focused on providing earlier, quicker and fair outcomes for all participants.

This work includes:

  • proactive calls to participants prior to internal reviews to achieve earlier resolution of issues, as well as clarity and support for some participants who may then no longer require an internal review
  • the introduction of an early assessment team whose role is to work with participants to better understand their circumstances and discussion options for resolving prior to an ART hearing
  • a range of initiatives which have contributed to an overall decrease in external legal expenditure

While the Agency works to ensure any disputes are resolved as early as possible, it remains the right of all participants to seek a review in the Tribunal.

In October 2024, new NDIS legislation and rules commenced which provide greater clarity to what is, and what is not, a NDIS Support.

From: Flowers, Daniel Daniel.Flowers@ndis.gov.au Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2025 8:25 AM To: media media@ndis.gov.au Cc: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material, Rosalynn <redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material>; O’Byrne, Tom; REES, Shannon Shannon.REES@ndis.gov.au Subject: RE: ASSISTANCE REQ’D: Media enquiry (NewsCorp) - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Hi Ben,

Just had a look, this data is in the quarterly report. Suggest we use December quarter data which reflects 1.1% of participants have a matter in the ART.

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Figure 18: Number and proportion of new ART cases

2,000 | 1.2% 1,500 | 1.06% | 1.10% | 1.0% 1,000 | 0.79% | 0.66% | 0.71% | 0.67% | 0.72% | 0.71% | 0.42% | 0.8% 500 | 1,116 | 961 | 1,064 | 1,045 | 1,147 | 681 | 1,171 | 1,769 | 1,895 | 0.6% 0 | Dec 22 | Mar 23 | Jun 23 | Sep 23 | Dec 23 | Mar 24 | Jun 24 | Sep 24 | Dec 24 | 0.4% | 0.2% | 0%

New ART cases (incremental) — Rate of new ART cases to active participants

Thanks,

Daniel Flowers Acting General Manager, Chief Counsel National Disability Insurance Agency M redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material E daniel.flowers@ndis.gov.au

Delivered by the National Disability Insurance Agency

The NDIA acknowledges the Traditional Custodians of Country throughout Australia and their continuing connection to land, sea and community. We pay our respects to them and their cultures and to Elders past, present and emerging.

From: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material, Ben <redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material> On Behalf Of media Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2025 7:48 PM To: Flowers, Daniel Daniel.Flowers@ndis.gov.au Cc: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material, Rosalynn <redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material>; media media@ndis.gov.au; O’Byrne, Tom; REES, Shannon Shannon.REES@ndis.gov.au Subject: ASSISTANCE REQ’D: Media enquiry (NewsCorp) - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Hi Dan,

Thanks for your guidance with this one today.

Per the CEO’s feedback below, just reaching out again to see you/your team might have numbers/percentage of how many ppts actually end up at the ART?

Not urgent now, but would be great if we can get early tomorrow so we can add in before returning response to the journalist.

Thanks,

Ben

From: Falkingham, Rebecca Rebecca.Falkingham@ndis.gov.au Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2025 7:29 PM To: media media@ndis.gov.au Cc: media media@ndis.gov.au; REES, Shannon Shannon.REES@ndis.gov.au; O’Byrne, Tom; redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material, Julian <redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material> Subject: Re: FOR REVIEW: Media enquiry (NewsCorp) - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

From: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material, Ben <redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material> on behalf of media media@ndis.gov.au Sent: Wednesday, March 5, 2025 7:22:12 PM To: Falkingham, Rebecca Rebecca.Falkingham@ndis.gov.au Cc: media media@ndis.gov.au; REES, Shannon Shannon.REES@ndis.gov.au; O’Byrne, Tom; redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material, Julian <redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material> Subject: FOR REVIEW: Media enquiry (NewsCorp) - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Good evening Rebecca,

Please see below draft response for NewsCorp (Julie Cross) re ART processes.

If you’re comfortable, we’ll send to the MO (who are keen to see our response) but won’t return to Julie until we speak further with her.

Thanks,

Ben

Media enquiry
Journalist/media outlet
Deadline for approval
Journalist deadline to receive NDIA response

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Enquiry topic The NDIA and ART outcomes/approach
Approvals to date a/g Dir, Media
BM, Media
GM, Media
DCEO (Gov, Risk & Legal) – see attached
Approvals to come CEO
Background information • Journalist provided data (from ART) that compares 2021-22 figures with a 3-month period from 2024 (attached)
• NDIA media has spoken with journalist
• NDIA media (Shannon/Tom) will again contact journalist to press for accountability on the claims around Robodebt and remind them of their need to demonstrate evidence as to how automated decision-making can be linked to human-centred engagement.
• Media will also explain how the questions and use of data suggest a picture of the approach to ART which is not accurate.
Reasoning for response To reiterate the person-centric approach the NDIA takes with ART matters and clarify data round hearings/ART outcomes.
Enquiry/Questions Hello,

I am looking for a comment about the rate of decision changes at tribunal - up from 58% to 70% in the last few years.

The NDIA also spent $37m on legal firms representing the agency at tribunals in 2023-2024.

Can you explain why so many original decisions by agency staff are wrong and have to be reversed/changed at tribunal?

Why are these “negotiations” between the agency and participants not happening before the tribunal stage, at review or appeal?

Why are you hiring barristers to take on people with a disability, who often can’t afford legal representation?

What do you say to accusations that experts hired by the agency are not independent and are there to make recommendations on saving money?

What do you say to accusations that the NDIA is the new robodebt, causing harm to participants? Isn’t this claim borne out by the number of changed decisions at tribunal?

My deadline is tomorrow at 10am.

Thanks,
Julie
Draft response The following can be attributed to an NDIA spokesperson:

The data you have provided around changes to decisions under review does not reflect decisions made via substantive Tribunal hearings.

98% of matters are resolved prior to a substantive hearing in the Tribunal. Around a quarter of these cases are dismissed by the ART or withdrawn by the applicant.

In most cases, matters are resolved by agreement between the Agency and the applicant. A change in the NDIA’s position prior to a substantive hearing is primarily the result of new information being provided as we work closely with participants earlier in the appeal process.

This is why the NDIA is investing heavily in new approaches to dispute resolution which are focused on providing earlier, quicker and fair outcomes for all participants.

This work includes:
• proactive calls to participants prior to internal reviews to achieve earlier resolution of issues, as well as clarity and support for some participants who may then no longer require an internal review

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  • the introduction of an early assessment team whose role is to work with participants to better understand their circumstances and discussion options for resolving prior to an ART hearing
  • a range of initiatives which have contributed to an overall decrease in external legal expenditure

While the Agency works to ensure any disputes are resolved as early as possible, it remains the right of all participants to seek a review in the Tribunal.

In October 2024, new NDIS legislation and rules commenced which provide greater clarity to what is, and what is not, a NDIS Support.

From: Cross, Julie julie.cross@news.com.au Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2025 11:03 AM To: media media@ndis.gov.au Subject: Media request

Hello,

I am looking for a comment about the rate of decision changes at tribunal - up from 58% to 70% in the last few years.

The NDIA also spent $37m on legal firms representing the agency at tribunals in 2023-2024.

Can you explain why so many original decisions by agency staff are wrong and have to be reversed/changed at tribunal?

Why are these “negotiations” between the agency and participants not happening before the tribunal stage, at review or appeal?

Why are you hiring barristers to take on people with a disability, who often can’t afford legal representation?

What do you say to accusations that experts hired by the agency are not independent and are there to make recommendations on saving money?

What do you say to accusations that the NDIA is the new robodebt, causing harm to participants? Isn’t this claim borne out by the number of changed decisions at tribunal?

My deadline is tomorrow at 10am.

Thanks,

Julie

JULIE CROSS Social Affairs Reporter

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2 Holt Street Surry Hills NSW 2010 GPO Box - GPO Box 7002, Sydney 2001 M redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material E julie.cross@news.com.au

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From: Gifford, David Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2025 9:40 AM To: media, Flowers, Daniel Cc: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material, Rosalynn; redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material, Tracey; O’Byrne, Tom; REES, Shannon; redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material, Justin Subject: Re: ASSISTANCE REQ’D: Media enquiry (NewsCorp) - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Hi Ben that’s cleared

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From: Broad, Ben on behalf of media Sent: Thursday, March 6, 2025 9:51:51 AM To: Flowers, Daniel; Gifford, David Cc: KORN, Rosalynn; Rankin, Tracey; O’Byrne, Tom; REES, Shannon; Colbourne, Justin Subject: RE: ASSISTANCE REQ’D: Media enquiry (NewsCorp) - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Hi Dan (thanks for the chat just now) and David,

Given our discussion Dan, would the below work? We understand this doesn’t align with the 1.1%, however we believe this accurate.

@Gifford, David … we have an enquiry relating to ART matters. Hoping you might please be able to review/clear the highlighted line below.

The QR states: ‘There were 1,895 new ART cases in the December 2024 quarter, relating to 1,871 participants (Figure 18). The number of new ART cases (as a proportion of active participants) has increased from 0.79% in the December 2022 quarter to 1.10% in the December 2024 quarter’

We understand Actuary uses a slightly different formula to arrive at the 1.1% figure … we’re hoping you’re comfortable with the below highlighted section (as CEO was keen to illustrate rate of ART matters as proportion of ppts)

Thanks,

Ben

The following can be attributed to an NDIA spokesperson:

The data you have provided around changes to decisions under review does not reflect decisions made via substantive Tribunal hearings.

In the recent quarter (Sep 1-Dec 31), there 1895 new cases at the Tribunal, relating to 1871 participants. That figure represents just 0.27% of all participants (692,823) the Scheme was supporting at December 31.

98% of matters are resolved prior to a substantive hearing in the Tribunal. Around a quarter of these cases are dismissed by the ART or withdrawn by the applicant.

In most cases, matters are resolved by agreement between the Agency and the applicant. A change in the NDIA’s position prior to a substantive hearing is primarily the result of new information being provided as we work closely with participants earlier in the appeal process.

This is why the NDIA is investing heavily in new approaches to dispute resolution which are focused on providing earlier, quicker and fair outcomes for all participants.

This work includes:

  • proactive calls to participants prior to internal reviews to achieve earlier resolution of issues, as well as clarity and support for some participants who may then no longer require an internal review
  • the introduction of an early assessment team whose role is to work with participants to better understand their circumstances and discussion options for resolving prior to an ART hearing
  • a range of initiatives which have contributed to an overall decrease in external legal expenditure

While the Agency works to ensure any disputes are resolved as early as possible, it remains the right of all participants to seek a review in the Tribunal.

In October 2024, new NDIS legislation and rules commenced which provide greater clarity to what is, and what is not, a NDIS Support.

From: Flowers, Daniel Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2025 8:25 AM To: media Cc: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material, Rosalynn; O’Byrne, Tom; REES, Shannon Subject: RE: ASSISTANCE REQ’D: Media enquiry (NewsCorp) - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Hi Ben,

Just had a look, this data is in the quarterly report. Suggest we use December quarter data which reflects 1.1% of participants have a matter in the ART.

Thanks,

Daniel Flowers Acting General Manager, Chief Counsel National Disability Insurance Agency M redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material E daniel.flowers@ndis.gov.au

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Delivered by the National Disability Insurance Agency

The NDIA acknowledges the Traditional Custodians of Country throughout Australia and their continuing connection to land, sea and community. We pay our respects to them and their cultures and to Elders past, present and emerging.

From: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material, Ben <redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material> On Behalf Of media Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2025 7:48 PM To: Flowers, Daniel Daniel.Flowers@ndis.gov.au Cc: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material, Rosalynn <redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material>; media media@ndis.gov.au; O’Byrne, Tom; REES, Shannon Shannon.REES@ndis.gov.au Subject: ASSISTANCE REQ’D: Media enquiry (NewsCorp) - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Hi Dan,

Thanks for your guidance with this one today.

Per the CEO’s feedback below, just reaching out again to see you/your team might have numbers/percentage of how many ppts actually end up at the ART?

Not urgent now, but would be great if we can get early tomorrow so we can add in before returning response to the journalist.

Thanks,

Ben

From: Falkingham, Rebecca Rebecca.Falkingham@ndis.gov.au Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2025 7:29 PM To: media media@ndis.gov.au Cc: media media@ndis.gov.au; REES, Shannon Shannon.REES@ndis.gov.au; O’Byrne, Tom; redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material, Julian <redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material> Subject: Re: FOR REVIEW: Media enquiry (NewsCorp) - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

This is an excellent response.

From: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material, Ben <redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material> on behalf of media media@ndis.gov.au Sent: Wednesday, March 5, 2025 7:22:12 PM To: Falkingham, Rebecca Rebecca.Falkingham@ndis.gov.au Cc: media media@ndis.gov.au; REES, Shannon Shannon.REES@ndis.gov.au; O’Byrne, Tom; redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material, Julian <redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material> Subject: FOR REVIEW: Media enquiry (NewsCorp) - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Good evening Rebecca,

Please see below draft response for NewsCorp (Julie Cross) re ART processes.

If you’re comfortable, we’ll send to the MO (who are keen to see our response) but won’t return to Julie until we speak further with her.

Thanks,

Ben

Media enquiry
Journalist/media outlet
Deadline for approval
Journalist deadline to receive NDIA response
Enquiry topic
Approvals to date
Approvals to come
Background information
Reasoning for response
Enquiry/Questions

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Can you explain why so many original decisions by agency staff are wrong and have to be reversed/changed at tribunal?

Why are these “negotiations” between the agency and participants not happening before the tribunal stage, at review or appeal?

Why are you hiring barristers to take on people with a disability, who often can’t afford legal representation?

What do you say to accusations that experts hired by the agency are not independent and are there to make recommendations on saving money?

What do you say to accusations that the NDIA is the new robodebt, causing harm to participants? Isn’t this claim borne out by the number of changed decisions at tribunal?

My deadline is tomorrow at 10am.

Thanks,

Julie

Draft response

The following can be attributed to an NDIA spokesperson:

The data you have provided around changes to decisions under review does not reflect decisions made via substantive Tribunal hearings.

98% of matters are resolved prior to a substantive hearing in the Tribunal. Around a quarter of these cases are dismissed by the ART or withdrawn by the applicant.

In most cases, matters are resolved by agreement between the Agency and the applicant. A change in the NDIA’s position prior to a substantive hearing is primarily the result of new information being provided as we work closely with participants earlier in the appeal process.

This is why the NDIA is investing heavily in new approaches to dispute resolution which are focused on providing earlier, quicker and fair outcomes for all participants.

This work includes:

  • proactive calls to participants prior to internal reviews to achieve earlier resolution of issues, as well as clarity and support for some participants who may then no longer require an internal review
  • the introduction of an early assessment team whose role is to work with participants to better understand their circumstances and discussion options for resolving prior to an ART hearing
  • a range of initiatives which have contributed to an overall decrease in external legal expenditure

While the Agency works to ensure any disputes are resolved as early as possible, it remains the right of all participants to seek a review in the Tribunal.

In October 2024, new NDIS legislation and rules commenced which provide greater clarity to what is, and what is not, a NDIS Support.

From: Cross, Julie julie.cross@news.com.au Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2025 11:03 AM To: media media@ndis.gov.au Subject: Media request

Hello,

I am looking for a comment about the rate of decision changes at tribunal - up from 58% to 70% in the last few years.

The NDIA also spent $37m on legal firms representing the agency at tribunals in 2023-2024.

Can you explain why so many original decisions by agency staff are wrong and have to be reversed/changed at tribunal?

Why are these “negotiations” between the agency and participants not happening before the tribunal stage, at review or appeal?

Why are you hiring barristers to take on people with a disability, who often can’t afford legal representation?

What do you say to accusations that experts hired by the agency are not independent and are there to make recommendations on saving money?

What do you say to accusations that the NDIA is the new robodebt, causing harm to participants? Isn’t this claim borne out by the number of changed decisions at tribunal?

My deadline is tomorrow at 10am.

Thanks,

Julie

JULIE CROSS Social Affairs Reporter

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2 Holt Street Surry Hills NSW 2010 GPO Box - GPO Box 7002, Sydney 2001 M redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material E julie.cross@news.com.au

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From: O’Byrne, Tom Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2025 9:43 AM To: REES, Shannon; media; redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material, Ben Subject: FW: ASSISTANCE REQ’D: Media enquiry (NewsCorp) - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Well done redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material, good stat! Let’s hold off responding until Shan and/or I have spoken to Julie.

@REES, Shannon, happy to chat again, but suggest we engage on Robodebt prior ART lines.

Tom O’Byrne Branch Manager Media | Strategic Communications Division National Disability Insurance Agency E: tom.o’byrne@ndis.gov.au M: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material

The NDIA acknowledges the Traditional Custodians of Country throughout Australia and their continuing connection to land, sea and community. We pay our respects to them and their cultures and to Elders past, present and emerging.

From: Gifford, David Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2025 10:10 AM To: media; Flowers, Daniel Cc: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material, Rosalynn; redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material, Tracey; O’Byrne, Tom; REES, Shannon; redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material, Justin Subject: Re: ASSISTANCE REQ’D: Media enquiry (NewsCorp) - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Hi Ben that’s cleared

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From: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material, Ben <redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material> on behalf of media media@ndis.gov.au Sent: Thursday, March 6, 2025 9:51:51 AM To: Flowers, Daniel Daniel.Flowers@ndis.gov.au; Gifford, David David.Gifford@ndis.gov.au Cc: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material, Rosalynn <redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material>; redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material, Tracey <redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material>; O’Byrne, Tom; REES, Shannon Shannon.REES@ndis.gov.au; redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material, Justin <redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material> Subject: RE: ASSISTANCE REQ’D: Media enquiry (NewsCorp) - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Hi Dan (thanks for the chat just now) and David,

Given our discussion Dan, would the below work? We understand this doesn’t align with the 1.1%, however we believe this accurate.

@Gifford, David … we have an enquiry relating to ART matters. Hoping you might please be able to review/clear the highlighted line below.

The QR states: ‘There were 1,895 new ART cases in the December 2024 quarter, relating to 1,871 participants (Figure 18). The number of new ART cases (as a proportion of active participants) has increased from 0.79% in the December 2022 quarter to 1.10% in the December 2024 quarter’

We understand Actuary uses a slightly different formula to arrive at the 1.1% figure … we’re hoping you’re comfortable with the below highlighted section (as CEO was keen to illustrate rate of ART matters as proportion of ppts)

Thanks,

Ben

The following can be attributed to an NDIA spokesperson:

The data you have provided around changes to decisions under review does not reflect decisions made via substantive Tribunal hearings.

In the recent quarter (Sep 1-Dec 31), there 1895 new cases at the Tribunal, relating to 1871 participants. That figure represents just 0.27% of all participants (692,823) the Scheme was supporting at December 31.

98% of matters are resolved prior to a substantive hearing in the Tribunal. Around a quarter of these cases are dismissed by the ART or withdrawn by the applicant.

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In most cases, matters are resolved by agreement between the Agency and the applicant. A change in the NDIA’s position prior to a substantive hearing is primarily the result of new information being provided as we work closely with participants earlier in the appeal process.

This is why the NDIA is investing heavily in new approaches to dispute resolution which are focused on providing earlier, quicker and fair outcomes for all participants.

This work includes:

  • proactive calls to participants prior to internal reviews to achieve earlier resolution of issues, as well as clarity and support for some participants who may then no longer require an internal review
  • the introduction of an early assessment team whose role is to work with participants to better understand their circumstances and discussion options for resolving prior to an ART hearing
  • a range of initiatives which have contributed to an overall decrease in external legal expenditure

While the Agency works to ensure any disputes are resolved as early as possible, it remains the right of all participants to seek a review in the Tribunal.

In October 2024, new NDIS legislation and rules commenced which provide greater clarity to what is, and what is not, a NDIS Support.

From: Flowers, Daniel Daniel.Flowers@ndis.gov.au Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2025 8:25 AM To: media media@ndis.gov.au Cc: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material, Rosalynn <redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material>; O’Byrne, Tom; REES, Shannon Shannon.REES@ndis.gov.au Subject: RE: ASSISTANCE REQ’D: Media enquiry (NewsCorp) - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Hi Ben,

Just had a look, this data is in the quarterly report. Suggest we use December quarter data which reflects 1.1% of participants have a matter in the ART.

Thanks,

Daniel Flowers Acting General Manager, Chief Counsel National Disability Insurance Agency M redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material E daniel.flowers@ndis.gov.au

The NDIA acknowledges the Traditional Custodians of Country throughout Australia and their continuing connection to land, sea and community. We pay our respects to them and their cultures and to Elders past, present and emerging.

From: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material, Ben <redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material> On Behalf Of media Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2025 7:48 PM To: Flowers, Daniel Daniel.Flowers@ndis.gov.au Cc: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material, Rosalynn <redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material>; media media@ndis.gov.au; O’Byrne, Tom; REES, Shannon Shannon.REES@ndis.gov.au Subject: ASSISTANCE REQ’D: Media enquiry (NewsCorp) - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Hi Dan,

Thanks for your guidance with this one today.

Per the CEO’s feedback below, just reaching out again to see you/your team might have numbers/percentage of how many ppts actually end up at the ART?

Not urgent now, but would be great if we can get early tomorrow so we can add in before returning response to the journalist.

2 Page 122 of 217

Thanks,

Ben

From: Falkingham, Rebecca Rebecca.Falkingham@ndis.gov.au Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2025 7:29 PM To: media media@ndis.gov.au Cc: media media@ndis.gov.au; REES, Shannon Shannon.REES@ndis.gov.au; O’Byrne, Tom; redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material, Julian <redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material> Subject: Re: FOR REVIEW: Media enquiry (NewsCorp) - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

This is an excellent response. My only suggestion is whether we can put percentage in to contextualise how few participants end up at ART.

From: Ben <redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material> on behalf of media media@ndis.gov.au Sent: Wednesday, March 5, 2025 7:22:12 PM To: Falkingham, Rebecca Rebecca.Falkingham@ndis.gov.au Cc: media media@ndis.gov.au; REES, Shannon Shannon.REES@ndis.gov.au; O’Byrne, Tom; redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material, Julian <redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material> Subject: FOR REVIEW: Media enquiry (NewsCorp) - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Good evening Rebecca,

Please see below draft response for NewsCorp (Julie Cross) re ART processes.

If you’re comfortable, we’ll send to the MO (who are keen to see our response) but won’t return to Julie until we speak further with her.

Thanks,

Ben

Media enquiry
Journalist/media outlet
Deadline for approval
Journalist deadline to receive NDIA response
Enquiry topic
Approvals to date
Approvals to come
Background information
Reasoning for response
Enquiry/Questions

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What do you say to accusations that experts hired by the agency are not independent and are there to make recommendations on saving money?

What do you say to accusations that the NDIA is the new robodebt, causing harm to participants? Isn’t this claim borne out by the number of changed decisions at tribunal?

My deadline is tomorrow at 10am.

Thanks,

Julie

Draft response

The following can be attributed to an NDIA spokesperson:

The data you have provided around changes to decisions under review does not reflect decisions made via substantive Tribunal hearings.

98% of matters are resolved prior to a substantive hearing in the Tribunal. Around a quarter of these cases are dismissed by the ART or withdrawn by the applicant.

In most cases, matters are resolved by agreement between the Agency and the applicant. A change in the NDIA’s position prior to a substantive hearing is primarily the result of new information being provided as we work closely with participants earlier in the appeal process.

This is why the NDIA is investing heavily in new approaches to dispute resolution which are focused on providing earlier, quicker and fair outcomes for all participants.

This work includes:

  • proactive calls to participants prior to internal reviews to achieve earlier resolution of issues, as well as clarity and support for some participants who may then no longer require an internal review
  • the introduction of an early assessment team whose role is to work with participants to better understand their circumstances and discussion options for resolving prior to an ART hearing
  • a range of initiatives which have contributed to an overall decrease in external legal expenditure

While the Agency works to ensure any disputes are resolved as early as possible, it remains the right of all participants to seek a review in the Tribunal.

In October 2024, new NDIS legislation and rules commenced which provide greater clarity to what is, and what is not, a NDIS Support.

From: Cross, Julie julie.cross@news.com.au Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2025 11:03 AM To: media media@ndis.gov.au Subject: Media request

Hello,

I am looking for a comment about the rate of decision changes at tribunal - up from 58% to 70% in the last few years.

The NDIA also spent $37m on legal firms representing the agency at tribunals in 2023-2024.

Can you explain why so many original decisions by agency staff are wrong and have to be reversed/changed at tribunal?

Why are these “negotiations” between the agency and participants not happening before the tribunal stage, at review or appeal?

Why are you hiring barristers to take on people with a disability, who often can’t afford legal representation?

What do you say to accusations that experts hired by the agency are not independent and are there to make recommendations on saving money?

What do you say to accusations that the NDIA is the new robodebt, causing harm to participants? Isn’t this claim borne out by the number of changed decisions at tribunal?

My deadline is tomorrow at 10am.

Thanks,

Julie

JULIE CROSS

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Social Affairs Reporter

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From: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material, Ben on behalf of media Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2025 12:01 PM To: Falkingham, Rebecca Cc: media; REES, Shannon; O’Byrne, Tom; Swainson, Matthew Subject: FYI: Updated response to NewsCorp - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Hi again Rebecca,

As an update … this morning we’ve (Shannon) spoken to journalist to pushback on use of ‘Robodebt’.

David G and Dan F have also reviewed an additional line we’ve added the data re: percentage of ppts involved in ART matters. (see below)

We’ll provide the MO with visibility and return response to Julie.

Thanks,

Ben

The following can be attributed to an NDIA spokesperson:

The data you have provided around changes to decisions under review does not reflect decisions made via substantive Tribunal hearings.

redacted

98% of matters are resolved prior to a substantive hearing in the Tribunal. Around a quarter of these cases are dismissed by the ART or withdrawn by the applicant.

In most cases, matters are resolved by agreement between the Agency and the applicant. A change in the NDIA’s position prior to a substantive hearing is primarily the result of new information being provided as we work closely with participants earlier in the appeal process.

This is why the NDIA is investing heavily in new approaches to dispute resolution which are focused on providing earlier, quicker and fair outcomes for all participants.

This work includes:

  • proactive calls to participants prior to internal reviews to achieve earlier resolution of issues, as well as clarity and support for some participants who may then no longer require an internal review
  • the introduction of an early assessment team whose role is to work with participants to better understand their circumstances and discussion options for resolving prior to an ART hearing
  • a range of initiatives which have contributed to an overall decrease in external legal expenditure

While the Agency works to ensure any disputes are resolved as early as possible, it remains the right of all participants to seek a review in the Tribunal.

In October 2024, new NDIS legislation and rules commenced which provide greater clarity to what is, and what is not, a NDIS Support.

From: Falkingham, Rebecca Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2025 7:29 PM To: media Cc: media; REES, Shannon; O’Byrne, Tom; redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material, Julian Subject: Re: FOR REVIEW: Media enquiry (NewsCorp) - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

This is an excellent response. My only suggestion is whether we can put percentage in to contextualise how few participants end up at ART.

From: Ben <redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material> on behalf of media media@ndis.gov.au Sent: Wednesday, March 5, 2025 7:22:12 PM To: Falkingham, Rebecca Rebecca.Falkingham@ndis.gov.au Cc: media media@ndis.gov.au; REES, Shannon Shannon.REES@ndis.gov.au; O’Byrne, Tom; redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material, Julian <redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material> Subject: FOR REVIEW: Media enquiry (NewsCorp) - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Good evening Rebecca,

Please see below draft response for NewsCorp (Julie Cross) re ART processes.

If you’re comfortable, we’ll send to the MO (who are keen to see our response) but won’t return to Julie until we speak further with her.

Thanks,

Ben

Media enquiry
Journalist/media outlet
Deadline for approval

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Journalist deadline to receive NDIA response Thursday 10am
(MO keen to see our response tonight)
Enquiry topic The NDIA and ART outcomes/approach
Approvals to date a/g Dir, Media
BM, Media
GM, Media
DCEO (Gov, Risk & Legal) – see attached
Approvals to come CEO
Background information • Journalist provided data (from ART) that compares 2021-22 figures with a 3-month period from 2024 (attached)
• NDIA media has spoken with journalist
• NDIA media (Shannon/Tom) will again contact journalist to press for accountability on the claims around Robodebt and remind them of their need to demonstrate evidence as to how automated decision-making can be linked to human-centred engagement.
• Media will also explain how the questions and use of data suggest a picture of the approach to ART which is not accurate.
Reasoning for response To reiterate the person-centric approach the NDIA takes with ART matters and clarify data round hearings/ART outcomes.
Enquiry/Questions Hello,

I am looking for a comment about the rate of decision changes at tribunal - up from 58% to 70% in the last few years.

The NDIA also spent $37m on legal firms representing the agency at tribunals in 2023-2024.

Can you explain why so many original decisions by agency staff are wrong and have to be reversed/changed at tribunal?

Why are these “negotiations” between the agency and participants not happening before the tribunal stage, at review or appeal?

Why are you hiring barristers to take on people with a disability, who often can’t afford legal representation?

What do you say to accusations that experts hired by the agency are not independent and are there to make recommendations on saving money?

What do you say to accusations that the NDIA is the new robodebt, causing harm to participants? Isn’t this claim borne out by the number of changed decisions at tribunal?

My deadline is tomorrow at 10am.

Thanks,
Julie
Draft response The following can be attributed to an NDIA spokesperson:

The data you have provided around changes to decisions under review does not reflect decisions made via substantive Tribunal hearings.

98% of matters are resolved prior to a substantive hearing in the Tribunal. Around a quarter of these cases are dismissed by the ART or withdrawn by the applicant.

In most cases, matters are resolved by agreement between the Agency and the applicant. A change in the NDIA’s position prior to a substantive hearing is primarily the result of new information being provided as we work closely with participants earlier in the appeal process.

This is why the NDIA is investing heavily in new approaches to dispute resolution which are focused on providing earlier, quicker and fair outcomes for all participants.

This work includes:
• proactive calls to participants prior to internal reviews to achieve earlier resolution of issues, as well as clarity and

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support for some participants who may then no longer require an internal review

  • the introduction of an early assessment team whose role is to work with participants to better understand their circumstances and discussion options for resolving prior to an ART hearing
  • a range of initiatives which have contributed to an overall decrease in external legal expenditure

While the Agency works to ensure any disputes are resolved as early as possible, it remains the right of all participants to seek a review in the Tribunal.

In October 2024, new NDIS legislation and rules commenced which provide greater clarity to what is, and what is not, a NDIS Support.

From: Cross, Julie julie.cross@news.com.au Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2025 11:03 AM To: media media@ndis.gov.au Subject: Media request

Hello,

I am looking for a comment about the rate of decision changes at tribunal - up from 58% to 70% in the last few years.

The NDIA also spent $37m on legal firms representing the agency at tribunals in 2023-2024.

Can you explain why so many original decisions by agency staff are wrong and have to be reversed/changed at tribunal?

Why are these “negotiations” between the agency and participants not happening before the tribunal stage, at review or appeal?

Why are you hiring barristers to take on people with a disability, who often can’t afford legal representation?

What do you say to accusations that experts hired by the agency are not independent and are there to make recommendations on saving money?

What do you say to accusations that the NDIA is the new robodebt, causing harm to participants? Isn’t this claim borne out by the number of changed decisions at tribunal?

My deadline is tomorrow at 10am.

Thanks,

Julie

JULIE CROSS Social Affairs Reporter

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From: REES, Shannon Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2025 12:02 PM To: media, Falkingham, Rebecca Cc: O’Byrne, Tom; Swainson, Matthew Subject: RE: FYI: Updated response to NewsCorp - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Thanks team – Im going to add a line in in a minute to go back also so hold for now

From: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material, Ben On Behalf Of media Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2025 12:31 PM To: Falkingham, Rebecca Cc: media; REES, Shannon; O’Byrne, Tom; Swainson, Matthew Subject: FYI: Updated response to NewsCorp - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Hi again Rebecca,

As an update … this morning we’ve (Shannon) spoken to journalist to pushback on use of ‘Robodebt’.

David G and Dan F have also reviewed an additional line we’ve added the data re: percentage of ppts involved in ART matters. (see below)

We’ll provide the MO with visibility and return response to Julie.

Thanks,

Ben

The following can be attributed to an NDIA spokesperson:

The data you have provided around changes to decisions under review does not reflect decisions made via substantive Tribunal hearings.

In the recent quarter (Sep 1-Dec 31), there were 1895 new cases at the Tribunal, relating to 1871 participants. That figure represents just 0.27% of all participants (692,823) the Scheme was supporting at December 31.

98% of matters are resolved prior to a substantive hearing in the Tribunal. Around a quarter of these cases are dismissed by the ART or withdrawn by the applicant.

In most cases, matters are resolved by agreement between the Agency and the applicant. A change in the NDIA’s position prior to a substantive hearing is primarily the result of new information being provided as we work closely with participants earlier in the appeal process.

This is why the NDIA is investing heavily in new approaches to dispute resolution which are focused on providing earlier, quicker and fair outcomes for all participants.

This work includes:

  • proactive calls to participants prior to internal reviews to achieve earlier resolution of issues, as well as clarity and support for some participants who may then no longer require an internal review
  • the introduction of an early assessment team whose role is to work with participants to better understand their circumstances and discussion options for resolving prior to an ART hearing
  • a range of initiatives which have contributed to an overall decrease in external legal expenditure

While the Agency works to ensure any disputes are resolved as early as possible, it remains the right of all participants to seek a review in the Tribunal.

In October 2024, new NDIS legislation and rules commenced which provide greater clarity to what is, and what is not, a NDIS Support.

From: Falkingham, Rebecca Rebecca.Falkingham@ndis.gov.au Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2025 7:29 PM To: media media@ndis.gov.au Cc: media media@ndis.gov.au; REES, Shannon Shannon.REES@ndis.gov.au; O’Byrne, Tom; redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material, Julian <redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material> Subject: Re: FOR REVIEW: Media enquiry (NewsCorp) - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

This is an excellent response. My only suggestion is whether we can put percentage in to contextualise how few participants end up at ART.

From: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material, Ben <redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material> on behalf of media media@ndis.gov.au Sent: Wednesday, March 5, 2025 7:22:12 PM To: Falkingham, Rebecca Rebecca.Falkingham@ndis.gov.au Cc: media media@ndis.gov.au; REES, Shannon Shannon.REES@ndis.gov.au; O’Byrne, Tom; redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material, Julian <redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material> Subject: FOR REVIEW: Media enquiry (NewsCorp) - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Good evening Rebecca,

Please see below draft response for NewsCorp (Julie Cross) re ART processes.

If you’re comfortable, we’ll send to the MO (who are keen to see our response) but won’t return to Julie until we speak further with her.

1 Page 129 of 217

Thanks,

Ben

Media enquiry
Journalist/media outlet
Deadline for approval
Journalist deadline to receive NDIA response
Enquiry topic
Approvals to date
Approvals to come
Background information
Reasoning for response
Enquiry/Questions
Draft response

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This is why the NDIA is investing heavily in new approaches to dispute resolution which are focused on providing earlier, quicker and fair outcomes for all participants.

This work includes:

  • proactive calls to participants prior to internal reviews to achieve earlier resolution of issues, as well as clarity and support for some participants who may then no longer require an internal review
  • the introduction of an early assessment team whose role is to work with participants to better understand their circumstances and discussion options for resolving prior to an ART hearing
  • a range of initiatives which have contributed to an overall decrease in external legal expenditure

While the Agency works to ensure any disputes are resolved as early as possible, it remains the right of all participants to seek a review in the Tribunal.

In October 2024, new NDIS legislation and rules commenced which provide greater clarity to what is, and what is not, a NDIS Support.

From: Cross, Julie julie.cross@news.com.au Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2025 11:03 AM To: media media@ndis.gov.au Subject: Media request

Hello,

I am looking for a comment about the rate of decision changes at tribunal - up from 58% to 70% in the last few years.

The NDIA also spent $37m on legal firms representing the agency at tribunals in 2023-2024.

Can you explain why so many original decisions by agency staff are wrong and have to be reversed/changed at tribunal?

Why are these “negotiations” between the agency and participants not happening before the tribunal stage, at review or appeal?

Why are you hiring barristers to take on people with a disability, who often can’t afford legal representation?

What do you say to accusations that experts hired by the agency are not independent and are there to make recommendations on saving money?

What do you say to accusations that the NDIA is the new robodebt, causing harm to participants? Isn’t this claim borne out by the number of changed decisions at tribunal?

My deadline is tomorrow at 10am.

Thanks,

Julie

JULIE CROSS Social Affairs Reporter

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2 Holt Street Surry Hills NSW 2010 GPO Box - GPO Box 7002, Sydney 2001 M redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material E julie.cross@news.com.au

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From: REES, Shannon Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2025 12:28 PM To: media, Falkingham, Rebecca Cc: O’Byrne, Tom; Swainson, Matthew Subject: RE: FYI: Updated response to NewsCorp - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

I think we move this to the top as attributable and the rest as background (but don’t say that isnt attributable) just emphasise this is the on the record quote subject to RF/ MS okay on content

This publication has been informed that it is incorrect to connect the NDIS in any way shape or form to Robodebt and doing so is unfounded, irresponsible and may cause unnecessary distress and harm.

The NDIS Act expressly requires human decision-making.

NDIS legislation that started in October 2024 provides greater clarity to what is, and what is not, a NDIS Support which will assist in ensuring the NDIS is not paying for things that taxpayer funds should not be used for such as personal chefs, massage chairs, elective surgery, art supplies and other items which are not NDIS Supports.

From: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material, Ben On Behalf Of media Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2025 12:31 PM To: Falkingham, Rebecca Cc: media; REES, Shannon; O’Byrne, Tom; Swainson, Matthew Subject: FYI: Updated response to NewsCorp - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Hi again Rebecca,

As an update … this morning we’ve (Shannon) spoken to journalist to pushback on use of ‘Robodebt’.

David G and Dan F have also reviewed an additional line we’ve added the data re: percentage of ppts involved in ART matters. (see below)

We’ll provide the MO with visibility and return response to Julie.

Thanks,

Ben

The following can be attributed to an NDIA spokesperson:

The data you have provided around changes to decisions under review does not reflect decisions made via substantive Tribunal hearings.

In the recent quarter (Sep 1-Dec 31), there were 1895 new cases at the Tribunal, relating to 1871 participants. That figure represents just 0.27% of all participants (692,823) the Scheme was supporting at December 31.

98% of matters are resolved prior to a substantive hearing in the Tribunal. Around a quarter of these cases are dismissed by the ART or withdrawn by the applicant.

In most cases, matters are resolved by agreement between the Agency and the applicant. A change in the NDIA’s position prior to a substantive hearing is primarily the result of new information being provided as we work closely with participants earlier in the appeal process.

This is why the NDIA is investing heavily in new approaches to dispute resolution which are focused on providing earlier, quicker and fair outcomes for all participants.

This work includes:

  • proactive calls to participants prior to internal reviews to achieve earlier resolution of issues, as well as clarity and support for some participants who may then no longer require an internal review
  • the introduction of an early assessment team whose role is to work with participants to better understand their circumstances and discussion options for resolving prior to an ART hearing
  • a range of initiatives which have contributed to an overall decrease in external legal expenditure

While the Agency works to ensure any disputes are resolved as early as possible, it remains the right of all participants to seek a review in the Tribunal.

In October 2024, new NDIS legislation and rules commenced which provide greater clarity to what is, and what is not, a NDIS Support.

From: Falkingham, Rebecca Rebecca.Falkingham@ndis.gov.au Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2025 7:29 PM To: media media@ndis.gov.au Cc: media media@ndis.gov.au; REES, Shannon Shannon.REES@ndis.gov.au; O’Byrne, Tom; Carr, Julian Julian.CARR@ndis.gov.au Subject: Re: FOR REVIEW: Media enquiry (NewsCorp) - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

This is an excellent response. My only suggestion is whether we can put percentage in to contextualise how few participants end up at ART.

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From: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material, Ben <redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material> on behalf of media media@ndis.gov.au Sent: Wednesday, March 5, 2025 7:22:12 PM To: Falkingham, Rebecca Rebecca.Falkingham@ndis.gov.au Cc: media media@ndis.gov.au; REES, Shannon Shannon.REES@ndis.gov.au; O’Byrne, Tom; redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material, Julian <redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material> Subject: FOR REVIEW: Media enquiry (NewsCorp) - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Good evening Rebecca,

Please see below draft response for NewsCorp (Julie Cross) re ART processes.

If you’re comfortable, we’ll send to the MO (who are keen to see our response) but won’t return to Julie until we speak further with her.

Thanks,

Ben

Media enquiry
Journalist/media outlet
Deadline for approval
Journalist deadline to receive NDIA response
Enquiry topic
Approvals to date
Approvals to come
Background information
Reasoning for response
Enquiry/Questions
Draft response

2 Page 137 of 217

The data you have provided around changes to decisions under review does not reflect decisions made via substantive Tribunal hearings.

98% of matters are resolved prior to a substantive hearing in the Tribunal. Around a quarter of these cases are dismissed by the ART or withdrawn by the applicant.

In most cases, matters are resolved by agreement between the Agency and the applicant. A change in the NDIA’s position prior to a substantive hearing is primarily the result of new information being provided as we work closely with participants earlier in the appeal process.

This is why the NDIA is investing heavily in new approaches to dispute resolution which are focused on providing earlier, quicker and fair outcomes for all participants.

This work includes:

  • proactive calls to participants prior to internal reviews to achieve earlier resolution of issues, as well as clarity and support for some participants who may then no longer require an internal review
  • the introduction of an early assessment team whose role is to work with participants to better understand their circumstances and discussion options for resolving prior to an ART hearing
  • a range of initiatives which have contributed to an overall decrease in external legal expenditure

While the Agency works to ensure any disputes are resolved as early as possible, it remains the right of all participants to seek a review in the Tribunal.

In October 2024, new NDIS legislation and rules commenced which provide greater clarity to what is, and what is not, a NDIS Support.

From: Cross, Julie julie.cross@news.com.au Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2025 11:03 AM To: media media@ndis.gov.au Subject: Media request

Hello,

I am looking for a comment about the rate of decision changes at tribunal - up from 58% to 70% in the last few years.

The NDIA also spent $37m on legal firms representing the agency at tribunals in 2023-2024.

Can you explain why so many original decisions by agency staff are wrong and have to be reversed/changed at tribunal?

Why are these “negotiations” between the agency and participants not happening before the tribunal stage, at review or appeal?

Why are you hiring barristers to take on people with a disability, who often can’t afford legal representation?

What do you say to accusations that experts hired by the agency are not independent and are there to make recommendations on saving money?

What do you say to accusations that the NDIA is the new robodebt, causing harm to participants? Isn’t this claim borne out by the number of changed decisions at tribunal?

My deadline is tomorrow at 10am.

Thanks,

Julie

JULIE CROSS Social Affairs Reporter

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From: REES, Shannon Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2025 12:30 PM To: Swainson, Matthew; Falkingham, Rebecca; media Cc: O’Byrne, Tom; Flowers, Daniel Subject: RE: FYI: Updated response to NewsCorp - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Will leave you guys to tighten up response on

Can you explain why so many original decisions by agency staff are wrong and have to be reversed/changed at tribunal?

redacted: s47C - deliberative processes

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FOI 24/25-1528 DOCUMENT 45

From: Falkingham, Rebecca Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2025 12:39 PM To: REES, Shannon; media Cc: O’Byrne, Tom; Swainson, Matthew Subject: RE: FYI: Updated response to NewsCorp - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

My suggestion:

This publication has been informed that it is incorrect to connect the NDIS in any way shape or form to Robodebt and doing so is unfounded, irresponsible and may cause unnecessary distress and harm.

The NDIS Act expressly requires human decision-making.

NDIS legislation that started in October 2024 provides greater clarity to what is, and what is not, a NDIS Support.

The NDIA strives to resolve matters with participants before they reach the ART. However, we will challenge cases when necessary to ensure taxpayer funds are used appropriately and not for items such as personal chefs, massage chairs, elective surgery, holidays, and other non-NDIS supports.

From: REES, Shannon Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2025 12:58 PM To: media; Falkingham, Rebecca Cc: O’Byrne, Tom; Swainson, Matthew Subject: RE: FYI: Updated response to NewsCorp - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

I think we move this to the top as attributable and the rest as background (but don’t say that isnt attributable) just emphasise this is the on the record quote subject to RF/ MS okay on content

The NDIS Act expressly requires human decision-making.

NDIS legislation that started in October 2024 provides greater clarity to what is, and what is not, a NDIS Support.

The NDIA always works to try to resolve any matters with participants without going to the ART, but we will always reserve to ensure that taxpayer funds are not being spent on things like personal chefs, massage chairs, elective surgery, holidays and other items which are not NDIS Supports.

From: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material, Ben <redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material> On Behalf Of media Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2025 12:31 PM To: Falkingham, Rebecca Rebecca.Falkingham@ndis.gov.au Cc: media media@ndis.gov.au; REES, Shannon Shannon.REES@ndis.gov.au; O’Byrne, Tom; Swainson, Matthew Matthew.Swainson@ndis.gov.au Subject: FYI: Updated response to NewsCorp - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Hi again Rebecca,

As an update … this morning we’ve (Shannon) spoken to journalist to pushback on use of ‘Robodebt’.

David G and Dan F have also reviewed an additional line we’ve added the data re: percentage of ppts involved in ART matters. (see below)

We’ll provide the MO with visibility and return response to Julie.

Thanks,

Ben

The following can be attributed to an NDIA spokesperson:

The data you have provided around changes to decisions under review does not reflect decisions made via substantive Tribunal hearings.

In the recent quarter (Sep 1-Dec 31), there were 1895 new cases at the Tribunal, relating to 1871 participants. That figure represents just 0.27% of all participants (692,823) the Scheme was supporting at December 31.

98% of matters are resolved prior to a substantive hearing in the Tribunal. Around a quarter of these cases are dismissed by the ART or withdrawn by the applicant.

In most cases, matters are resolved by agreement between the Agency and the applicant. A change in the NDIA’s position prior to a substantive hearing is primarily the result of new information being provided as we work closely with participants earlier in the appeal process.

This is why the NDIA is investing heavily in new approaches to dispute resolution which are focused on providing earlier, quicker and fair outcomes for all participants.

This work includes:

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  • proactive calls to participants prior to internal reviews to achieve earlier resolution of issues, as well as clarity and support for some participants who may then no longer require an internal review
  • the introduction of an early assessment team whose role is to work with participants to better understand their circumstances and discussion options for resolving prior to an ART hearing
  • a range of initiatives which have contributed to an overall decrease in external legal expenditure

While the Agency works to ensure any disputes are resolved as early as possible, it remains the right of all participants to seek a review in the Tribunal.

In October 2024, new NDIS legislation and rules commenced which provide greater clarity to what is, and what is not, a NDIS Support.

From: Falkingham, Rebecca Rebecca.Falkingham@ndis.gov.au Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2025 7:29 PM To: media media@ndis.gov.au Cc: media media@ndis.gov.au; REES, Shannon Shannon.REES@ndis.gov.au; O’Byrne, Tom; redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material, Julian <redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material> Subject: Re: FOR REVIEW: Media enquiry (NewsCorp) - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

This is an excellent response. My only suggestion is whether we can put percentage in to contextualise how few participants end up at ART.

From: Ben <redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material> on behalf of media media@ndis.gov.au Sent: Wednesday, March 5, 2025 7:22:12 PM To: Falkingham, Rebecca Rebecca.Falkingham@ndis.gov.au Cc: media media@ndis.gov.au; REES, Shannon Shannon.REES@ndis.gov.au; O’Byrne, Tom; redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material, Julian <redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material> Subject: FOR REVIEW: Media enquiry (NewsCorp) - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Good evening Rebecca,

Please see below draft response for NewsCorp (Julie Cross) re ART processes.

If you’re comfortable, we’ll send to the MO (who are keen to see our response) but won’t return to Julie until we speak further with her.

Thanks,

Ben

Media enquiry
Journalist/media outlet
Deadline for approval
Journalist deadline to receive NDIA response
Enquiry topic
Approvals to date
Approvals to come
Background information
Reasoning for response
Enquiry/Questions

2 Page 148 of 217

Why are these “negotiations” between the agency and participants not happening before the tribunal stage, at review or appeal?

Why are you hiring barristers to take on people with a disability, who often can’t afford legal representation?

What do you say to accusations that experts hired by the agency are not independent and are there to make recommendations on saving money?

What do you say to accusations that the NDIA is the new robodebt, causing harm to participants? Isn’t this claim borne out by the number of changed decisions at tribunal?

My deadline is tomorrow at 10am.

Thanks,

Julie

Draft response

The following can be attributed to an NDIA spokesperson:

The data you have provided around changes to decisions under review does not reflect decisions made via substantive Tribunal hearings.

98% of matters are resolved prior to a substantive hearing in the Tribunal. Around a quarter of these cases are dismissed by the ART or withdrawn by the applicant.

In most cases, matters are resolved by agreement between the Agency and the applicant. A change in the NDIA’s position prior to a substantive hearing is primarily the result of new information being provided as we work closely with participants earlier in the appeal process.

This is why the NDIA is investing heavily in new approaches to dispute resolution which are focused on providing earlier, quicker and fair outcomes for all participants.

This work includes:

  • proactive calls to participants prior to internal reviews to achieve earlier resolution of issues, as well as clarity and support for some participants who may then no longer require an internal review
  • the introduction of an early assessment team whose role is to work with participants to better understand their circumstances and discussion options for resolving prior to an ART hearing
  • a range of initiatives which have contributed to an overall decrease in external legal expenditure

While the Agency works to ensure any disputes are resolved as early as possible, it remains the right of all participants to seek a review in the Tribunal.

In October 2024, new NDIS legislation and rules commenced which provide greater clarity to what is, and what is not, a NDIS Support.

From: Cross, Julie julie.cross@news.com.au Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2025 11:03 AM To: media media@ndis.gov.au Subject: Media request

Hello,

I am looking for a comment about the rate of decision changes at tribunal - up from 58% to 70% in the last few years.

The NDIA also spent $37m on legal firms representing the agency at tribunals in 2023-2024.

Can you explain why so many original decisions by agency staff are wrong and have to be reversed/changed at tribunal?

Why are these “negotiations” between the agency and participants not happening before the tribunal stage, at review or appeal?

Why are you hiring barristers to take on people with a disability, who often can’t afford legal representation?

What do you say to accusations that experts hired by the agency are not independent and are there to make recommendations on saving money?

3 Page 149 of 217

What do you say to accusations that the NDIA is the new robodebt, causing harm to participants? Isn’t this claim borne out by the number of changed decisions at tribunal?

My deadline is tomorrow at 10am.

Thanks,

Julie

JULIE CROSS Social Affairs Reporter

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2 Holt Street Surry Hills NSW 2010 GPO Box - GPO Box 7002, Sydney 2001 M redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material E julie.cross@news.com.au

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FOI 24/25-1528 DOCUMENT 46

From: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material, Ben on behalf of media Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2025 12:46 PM To: Falkingham, Rebecca; REES, Shannon; media Cc: O’Byrne, Tom; Swainson, Matthew Subject: RE: FYI: Updated response to NewsCorp - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Thanks Rebecca … so response might read per below (with another addition)

The following can be attributed to an NDIA spokesperson:

This publication has been informed that it is incorrect to connect the NDIS in any way shape or form to Robodebt and doing so is unfounded, irresponsible and may cause unnecessary distress and harm.

The NDIS Act expressly requires human decision-making.

NDIS legislation that started in October 2024 provides greater clarity to what is, and what is not, a NDIS Support.

The NDIA strives to resolve matters with participants before they reach the ART. However, we will challenge cases when necessary to ensure taxpayer funds are used appropriately and not for items such as personal chefs, massage chairs, elective surgery, holidays, and other non-NDIS supports.

Background

The data you have provided around changes to decisions under review does not reflect decisions made via substantive Tribunal hearings.

In the recent quarter (Sep 1-Dec 31), there were 1895 new cases at the Tribunal, relating to 1871 participants. That figure represents just 0.27% of all participants (692,823) the Scheme was supporting at December 31.

It is incorrect – and there is no evidence – to suggest that “so many original decisions” made by Agency staff are wrong and “reversed/changed at Tribunal”.

98% of matters are resolved prior to a substantive hearing in the Tribunal. Around a quarter of these cases are dismissed by the ART or withdrawn by the applicant.

In most cases, matters are resolved by agreement between the Agency and the applicant. A change in the NDIA’s position prior to a substantive hearing is primarily the result of new information being provided as we work closely with participants earlier in the appeal process.

This is why the NDIA is investing heavily in new approaches to dispute resolution which are focused on providing earlier, quicker and fair outcomes for all participants.

This work includes:

  • proactive calls to participants prior to internal reviews to achieve earlier resolution of issues, as well as clarity and support for some participants who may then no longer require an internal review
  • the introduction of an early assessment team whose role is to work with participants to better understand their circumstances and discussion options for resolving prior to an ART hearing
  • a range of initiatives which have contributed to an overall decrease in external legal expenditure

While the Agency works to ensure any disputes are resolved as early as possible, it remains the right of all participants to seek a review in the Tribunal.

In October 2024, new NDIS legislation and rules commenced which provide greater clarity to what is, and what is not, a NDIS Support.

From: Falkingham, Rebecca Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2025 1:09 PM To: REES, Shannon; media Cc: O’Byrne, Tom; Swainson, Matthew Subject: RE: FYI: Updated response to NewsCorp - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

My suggestion:

This publication has been informed that it is incorrect to connect the NDIS in any way shape or form to Robodebt and doing so is unfounded, irresponsible and may cause unnecessary distress and harm.

The NDIS Act expressly requires human decision-making.

NDIS legislation that started in October 2024 provides greater clarity to what is, and what is not, a NDIS Support.

The NDIA strives to resolve matters with participants before they reach the ART. However, we will challenge cases when necessary to ensure taxpayer funds are used appropriately and not for items such as personal chefs, massage chairs, elective surgery, holidays, and other non-NDIS supports.

From: REES, Shannon Shannon.REES@ndis.gov.au Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2025 12:58 PM To: media media@ndis.gov.au; Falkingham, Rebecca Rebecca.Falkingham@ndis.gov.au Cc: O’Byrne, Tom; Swainson, Matthew Matthew.Swainson@ndis.gov.au Subject: RE: FYI: Updated response to NewsCorp - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

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I think we move this to the top as attributable and the rest as background (but don’t say that isnt attributable) just emphasise this is the on the record quote subject to RF/ MS okay on content

The NDIS Act expressly requires human decision-making.

NDIS legislation that started in October 2024 provides greater clarity to what is, and what is not, a NDIS Support.

The NDIA always works to try to resolve any matters with participants without going to the ART, but we will always reserve to ensure that taxpayer funds are not being spent on things like personal chefs, massage chairs, elective surgery, holidays and other items which are not NDIS Supports.

From: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material, Ben <redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material> On Behalf Of media Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2025 12:31 PM To: Falkingham, Rebecca Rebecca.Falkingham@ndis.gov.au Cc: media media@ndis.gov.au; REES, Shannon Shannon.REES@ndis.gov.au; O’Byrne, Tom; Swainson, Matthew Matthew.Swainson@ndis.gov.au Subject: FYI: Updated response to NewsCorp - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Hi again Rebecca,

As an update … this morning we’ve (Shannon) spoken to journalist to pushback on use of ‘Robodebt’.

David G and Dan F have also reviewed an additional line we’ve added the data re: percentage of ppts involved in ART matters. (see below)

We’ll provide the MO with visibility and return response to Julie.

Thanks,

Ben

The following can be attributed to an NDIA spokesperson:

The data you have provided around changes to decisions under review does not reflect decisions made via substantive Tribunal hearings.

In the recent quarter (Sep 1-Dec 31), there were 1895 new cases at the Tribunal, relating to 1871 participants. That figure represents just 0.27% of all participants (692,823) the Scheme was supporting at December 31.

98% of matters are resolved prior to a substantive hearing in the Tribunal. Around a quarter of these cases are dismissed by the ART or withdrawn by the applicant.

In most cases, matters are resolved by agreement between the Agency and the applicant. A change in the NDIA’s position prior to a substantive hearing is primarily the result of new information being provided as we work closely with participants earlier in the appeal process.

This is why the NDIA is investing heavily in new approaches to dispute resolution which are focused on providing earlier, quicker and fair outcomes for all participants.

This work includes:

  • proactive calls to participants prior to internal reviews to achieve earlier resolution of issues, as well as clarity and support for some participants who may then no longer require an internal review
  • the introduction of an early assessment team whose role is to work with participants to better understand their circumstances and discussion options for resolving prior to an ART hearing
  • a range of initiatives which have contributed to an overall decrease in external legal expenditure

While the Agency works to ensure any disputes are resolved as early as possible, it remains the right of all participants to seek a review in the Tribunal.

In October 2024, new NDIS legislation and rules commenced which provide greater clarity to what is, and what is not, a NDIS Support.

From: Falkingham, Rebecca Rebecca.Falkingham@ndis.gov.au Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2025 7:29 PM To: media media@ndis.gov.au Cc: media media@ndis.gov.au; REES, Shannon Shannon.REES@ndis.gov.au; O’Byrne, Tom; redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material, Julian <redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material> Subject: Re: FOR REVIEW: Media enquiry (NewsCorp) - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

This is an excellent response. My only suggestion is whether we can put percentage in to contextualise how few participants end up at ART.

From: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material, Ben <redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material> on behalf of media media@ndis.gov.au Sent: Wednesday, March 5, 2025 7:22:12 PM To: Falkingham, Rebecca Rebecca.Falkingham@ndis.gov.au Cc: media media@ndis.gov.au; REES, Shannon Shannon.REES@ndis.gov.au; O’Byrne, Tom; redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material, Julian <redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material> Subject: FOR REVIEW: Media enquiry (NewsCorp) - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Good evening Rebecca,

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Please see below draft response for NewsCorp (Julie Cross) re ART processes.

If you’re comfortable, we’ll send to the MO (who are keen to see our response) but won’t return to Julie until we speak further with her.

Thanks,

Ben

| Media enquiry | |—|—| | Journalist/media outlet | Julie Cross (NewsCorp) | | Deadline for approval | ASAP please | | Journalist deadline to receive NDIA response | Thursday 10am (MO keen to see our response tonight) | | Enquiry topic | The NDIA and ART outcomes/approach | | Approvals to date | a/g Dir, Media
BM, Media
GM, Media
DCEO (Gov, Risk & Legal) — see attached | | Approvals to come | CEO | | Background information | • Journalist provided data (from ART) that compares 2021-22 figures with a 3-month period from 2024 (attached)
• NDIA media has spoken with journalist
• NDIA media (Shannon/Tom) will again contact journalist to press for accountability on the claims around Robodebt and remind them of their need to demonstrate evidence as to how automated decision-making can be linked to human-centred engagement.
• Media will also explain how the questions and use of data suggest a picture of the approach to ART which is not accurate. | | Reasoning for response | To reiterate the person-centric approach the NDIA takes with ART matters and clarify data round hearings/ART outcomes. | | Enquiry/Questions | Hello,

I am looking for a comment about the rate of decision changes at tribunal - up from 58% to 70% in the last few years.

The NDIA also spent $37m on legal firms representing the agency at tribunals in 2023-2024.

Can you explain why so many original decisions by agency staff are wrong and have to be reversed/changed at tribunal?

Why are these “negotiations” between the agency and participants not happening before the tribunal stage, at review or appeal?

Why are you hiring barristers to take on people with a disability, who often can’t afford legal representation?

What do you say to accusations that experts hired by the agency are not independent and are there to make recommendations on saving money?

What do you say to accusations that the NDIA is the new robodebt, causing harm to participants? Isn’t this claim borne out by the number of changed decisions at tribunal?

My deadline is tomorrow at 10am.

Thanks, Julie | | Draft response | The following can be attributed to an NDIA spokesperson:

The data you have provided around changes to decisions under review does not reflect decisions made via substantive Tribunal hearings.

98% of matters are resolved prior to a substantive hearing in the Tribunal. Around a quarter of these cases are dismissed by the ART or withdrawn by the applicant.

In most cases, matters are resolved by agreement between the Agency and the applicant. A change in the NDIA’s position prior to

a substantive hearing is primarily the result of new information being provided as we work closely with participants earlier in the appeal process.

This is why the NDIA is investing heavily in new approaches to dispute resolution which are focused on providing earlier, quicker and fair outcomes for all participants.

This work includes:

  • proactive calls to participants prior to internal reviews to achieve earlier resolution of issues, as well as clarity and support for some participants who may then no longer require an internal review
  • the introduction of an early assessment team whose role is to work with participants to better understand their circumstances and discussion options for resolving prior to an ART hearing
  • a range of initiatives which have contributed to an overall decrease in external legal expenditure

While the Agency works to ensure any disputes are resolved as early as possible, it remains the right of all participants to seek a review in the Tribunal.

In October 2024, new NDIS legislation and rules commenced which provide greater clarity to what is, and what is not, a NDIS Support.

From: Cross, Julie julie.cross@news.com.au Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2025 11:03 AM To: media media@ndis.gov.au Subject: Media request

Hello, I am looking for a comment about the rate of decision changes at tribunal - up from 58% to 70% in the last few years.

The NDIA also spent $37m on legal firms representing the agency at tribunals in 2023-2024. Can you explain why so many original decisions by agency staff are wrong and have to be reversed/changed at tribunal?

Why are these “negotiations” between the agency and participants not happening before the tribunal stage, at review or appeal?

Why are you hiring barristers to take on people with a disability, who often can’t afford legal representation? What do you say to accusations that experts hired by the agency are not independent and are there to make recommendations on saving money? What do you say to accusations that the NDIA is the new robodebt, causing harm to participants? Isn’t this claim borne out by the number of changed decisions at tribunal? My deadline is tomorrow at 10am. Thanks, Julie

JULIE CROSS Social Affairs Reporter

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2 Holt Street Surry Hills NSW 2010 GPO Box - GPO Box 7002, Sydney 2001 M redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material E julie.cross@news.com.au

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FOI 24/25-1528 DOCUMENT 47

From: Falkingham, Rebecca Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2025 12:52 PM To: media; REES, Shannon Cc: O’Byrne, Tom; Swainson, Matthew Subject: RE: FYI: Updated response to NewsCorp - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

perfect

Rebecca Falkingham CEO National Disability Insurance Agency E rebecca.falkingham@ndis.gov.au

The NDIA acknowledges the Traditional Custodians of Country throughout Australia and their continuing connection to land, sea and community. We pay our respects to them and their cultures and to Elders past, present and emerging.

From: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrele, Ben On Behalf Of media Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2025 1:16 PM To: Falkingham, Rebecca ; REES, Shannon ; media Cc: O’Byrne, Tom ; Swainson, Matthew Subject: RE: FYI: Updated response to NewsCorp - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Thanks Rebecca … so response might read per below (with another addition)

The following can be attributed to an NDIA spokesperson:

This publication has been informed that it is incorrect to connect the NDIS in any way shape or form to Robodebt and doing so is unfounded, irresponsible and may cause unnecessary distress and harm.

The NDIS Act expressly requires human decision-making.

NDIS legislation that started in October 2024 provides greater clarity to what is, and what is not, a NDIS Support.

The NDIA strives to resolve matters with participants before they reach the ART. However, we will challenge cases when necessary to ensure taxpayer funds are used appropriately and not for items such as personal chefs, massage chairs, elective surgery, holidays, and other non-NDIS supports.

Background

The data you have provided around changes to decisions under review does not reflect decisions made via substantive Tribunal hearings.

In the recent quarter (Sep 1-Dec 31), there were 1895 new cases at the Tribunal, relating to 1871 participants. That figure represents just 0.27% of all participants (692,823) the Scheme was supporting at December 31.

It is incorrect – and there is no evidence – to suggest that “so many original decisions” made by Agency staff are wrong and “reversed/changed at Tribunal”.

98% of matters are resolved prior to a substantive hearing in the Tribunal. Around a quarter of these cases are dismissed by the ART or withdrawn by the applicant.

In most cases, matters are resolved by agreement between the Agency and the applicant. A change in the NDIA’s position prior to a substantive hearing is primarily the result of new information being provided as we work closely with participants earlier in the appeal process.

This is why the NDIA is investing heavily in new approaches to dispute resolution which are focused on providing earlier, quicker and fair outcomes for all participants.

This work includes:

  • proactive calls to participants prior to internal reviews to achieve earlier resolution of issues, as well as clarity and support for some participants who may then no longer require an internal review
  • the introduction of an early assessment team whose role is to work with participants to better understand their circumstances and discussion options for resolving prior to an ART hearing
  • a range of initiatives which have contributed to an overall decrease in external legal expenditure

While the Agency works to ensure any disputes are resolved as early as possible, it remains the right of all participants to seek a review in the Tribunal.

In October 2024, new NDIS legislation and rules commenced which provide greater clarity to what is, and what is not, a NDIS Support.

From: Falkingham, Rebecca Rebecca.Falkingham@ndis.gov.au Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2025 1:09 PM To: REES, Shannon Shannon.REES@ndis.gov.au; media media@ndis.gov.au Cc: O’Byrne, Tom ; Swainson, Matthew Matthew.Swainson@ndis.gov.au Subject: RE: FYI: Updated response to NewsCorp - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

My suggestion:

This publication has been informed that it is incorrect to connect the NDIS in any way shape or form to Robodebt and doing so is unfounded, irresponsible and may cause unnecessary distress and harm. The NDIS Act expressly requires human decision-making.

NDIS legislation that started in October 2024 provides greater clarity to what is, and what is not, a NDIS Support.

The NDIA strives to resolve matters with participants before they reach the ART. However, we will challenge cases when necessary to ensure taxpayer funds are used appropriately and not for items such as personal chefs, massage chairs, elective surgery, holidays, and other non-NDIS supports.

From: REES, Shannon Shannon.REES@ndis.gov.au Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2025 12:58 PM To: media media@ndis.gov.au; Falkingham, Rebecca Rebecca.Falkingham@ndis.gov.au Cc: O’Byrne, Tom ; Swainson, Matthew Matthew.Swainson@ndis.gov.au Subject: RE: FYI: Updated response to NewsCorp - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

I think we move this to the top as attributable and the rest as background (but don’t say that isnt attributable) just emphasise this is the on the record quote subject to RF/ MS okay on content

The NDIS Act expressly requires human decision-making.

NDIS legislation that started in October 2024 provides greater clarity to what is, and what is not, a NDIS Support.

The NDIA always works to try to resolve any matters with participants without going to the ART, but we will always reserve to ensure that taxpayer funds are not being spent on things like personal chefs, massage chairs, elective surgery, holidays and other items which are not NDIS Supports.

From: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrele, Ben <Ben.redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrele@ndis.gov.au> On Behalf Of media Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2025 12:31 PM To: Falkingham, Rebecca Rebecca.Falkingham@ndis.gov.au Cc: media media@ndis.gov.au; REES, Shannon Shannon.REES@ndis.gov.au; O’Byrne, Tom ; Swainson, Matthew Matthew.Swainson@ndis.gov.au Subject: FYI: Updated response to NewsCorp - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Hi again Rebecca,

As an update … this morning we’ve (Shannon) spoken to journalist to pushback on use of ‘Robodebt’.

David G and Dan F have also reviewed an additional line we’ve added the data re: percentage of ppts involved in ART matters. (see below)

We’ll provide the MO with visibility and return response to Julie.

Thanks, Ben

The following can be attributed to an NDIA spokesperson:

The data you have provided around changes to decisions under review does not reflect decisions made via substantive Tribunal hearings.

In the recent quarter (Sep 1-Dec 31), there were 1895 new cases at the Tribunal, relating to 1871 participants. That figure represents just 0.27% of all participants (692,823) the Scheme was supporting at December 31.

98% of matters are resolved prior to a substantive hearing in the Tribunal. Around a quarter of these cases are dismissed by the ART or withdrawn by the applicant.

In most cases, matters are resolved by agreement between the Agency and the applicant. A change in the NDIA’s position prior to a substantive hearing is primarily the result of new information being provided as we work closely with participants earlier in the appeal process.

This is why the NDIA is investing heavily in new approaches to dispute resolution which are focused on providing earlier, quicker and fair outcomes for all participants.

This work includes:

  • proactive calls to participants prior to internal reviews to achieve earlier resolution of issues, as well as clarity and support for some participants who may then no longer require an internal review
  • the introduction of an early assessment team whose role is to work with participants to better understand their circumstances and discussion options for resolving prior to an ART hearing
  • a range of initiatives which have contributed to an overall decrease in external legal expenditure

While the Agency works to ensure any disputes are resolved as early as possible, it remains the right of all participants to seek a review in the Tribunal.

In October 2024, new NDIS legislation and rules commenced which provide greater clarity to what is, and what is not, a NDIS Support.

From: Falkingham, Rebecca <Rebecca,Falkingham@ndis.gov.au> Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2025 7:29 PM To: media media@ndis.gov.au Cc: media media@ndis.gov.au; REES, Shannon Shannon.REES@ndis.gov.au; O’Byrne, Tom; redacted Julian <Julianredacted @ndis.gov.au> Subject: Re: FOR REVIEW: Media enquiry (NewsCorp) - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

This is an excellent response. My only suggestion is whether we can put percentage in to contextualise how few participants end up at ART.

From: Ben <Benredacted @ndis.gov.au> on behalf of media media@ndis.gov.au Sent: Wednesday, March 5, 2025 7:22:12 PM To: Falkingham, Rebecca Rebecca.Falkingham@ndis.gov.au Cc: media media@ndis.gov.au; REES, Shannon Shannon.REES@ndis.gov.au; O’Byrne, Tom; redacted Julian <Julian.redacted @ndis.gov.au> Subject: FOR REVIEW: Media enquiry (NewsCorp) - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Good evening Rebecca, Please see below draft response for NewsCorp (Julie Cross) re ART processes. If you’re comfortable, we’ll send to the MO (who are keen to see our response) but won’t return to Julie until we speak further with her.

Thanks, Ben

| Media enquiry | |—|—| | Journalist/media outlet | Julie Cross (NewsCorp) | | Deadline for approval | ASAP please | | Journalist deadline to receive NDIA response | Thursday 10am (MO keen to see our response tonight) | | Enquiry topic | The NDIA and ART outcomes/approach | | Approvals to date | a/g Dir, Media
BM, Media
GM, Media
DCEO (Gov, Risk & Legal) — see attached | | Approvals to come | CEO | | Background information | • Journalist provided data (from ART) that compares 2021-22 figures with a 3-month period from 2024 (attached)
• NDIA media has spoken with journalist
• NDIA media (Shannon/Tom) will again contact journalist to press for accountability on the claims around Robodebt and remind them of their need to demonstrate evidence as to how automated decision-making can be linked to human-centred engagement.
• Media will also explain how the questions and use of data suggest a picture of the approach to ART which is not accurate. | | Reasoning for response | To reiterate the person-centric approach the NDIA takes with ART matters and clarify data round hearings/ART outcomes. | | Enquiry/Questions | Hello,

I am looking for a comment about the rate of decision changes at tribunal - up from 58% to 70% in the last few years. |

(Note: Table content continues on subsequent page)

The NDIA also spent $37m on legal firms representing the agency at tribunals in 2023-2024.

Can you explain why so many original decisions by agency staff are wrong and have to be reversed/changed at tribunal?

Why are these “negotiations” between the agency and participants not happening before the tribunal stage, at review or appeal?

Why are you hiring barristers to take on people with a disability, who often can’t afford legal representation?

What do you say to accusations that experts hired by the agency are not independent and are there to make recommendations on saving money?

What do you say to accusations that the NDIA is the new robodebt, causing harm to participants? Isn’t this claim borne out by the number of changed decisions at tribunal?

My deadline is tomorrow at 10am.

Thanks, Julie | | Draft response | The following can be attributed to an NDIA spokesperson:

The data you have provided around changes to decisions under review does not reflect decisions made via substantive Tribunal hearings.

98% of matters are resolved prior to a substantive hearing in the Tribunal. Around a quarter of these cases are dismissed by the ART or withdrawn by the applicant.

In most cases, matters are resolved by agreement between the Agency and the applicant. A change in the NDIA’s position prior to a substantive hearing is primarily the result of new information being provided as we work closely with participants earlier in the appeal process.

This is why the NDIA is investing heavily in new approaches to dispute resolution which are focused on providing earlier, quicker and fair outcomes for all participants.

This work includes:

  • proactive calls to participants prior to internal reviews to achieve earlier resolution of issues, as well as clarity and support for some participants who may then no longer require an internal review
  • the introduction of an early assessment team whose role is to work with participants to better understand their circumstances and discussion options for resolving prior to an ART hearing
  • a range of initiatives which have contributed to an overall decrease in external legal expenditure

While the Agency works to ensure any disputes are resolved as early as possible, it remains the right of all participants to seek a review in the Tribunal.

In October 2024, new NDIS legislation and rules commenced which provide greater clarity to what is, and what is not, a NDIS Support. |

From: Cross, Julie julie.cross@news.com.au Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2025 11:03 AM To: media media@ndis.gov.au Subject: Media request

Hello, I am looking for a comment about the rate of decision changes at tribunal - up from 58% to 70% in the last few years.

The NDIA also spent $37m on legal firms representing the agency at tribunals in 2023-2024. Can you explain why so many original decisions by agency staff are wrong and have to be reversed/changed at tribunal?

Why are these “negotiations” between the agency and participants not happening before the tribunal stage, at review or appeal?

Why are you hiring barristers to take on people with a disability, who often can’t afford legal representation? What do you say to accusations that experts hired by the agency are not independent and are there to make recommendations on saving money? What do you say to accusations that the NDIA is the new robodebt, causing harm to participants? Isn’t this claim borne out by the number of changed decisions at tribunal? My deadline is tomorrow at 10am. Thanks, Julie

JULIE CROSS Social Affairs Reporter

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From: REES, Shannon Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2025 12:53 PM To: Falkingham, Rebecca; media Cc: O’Byrne, Tom; Swainson, Matthew Subject: RE: FYI: Updated response to NewsCorp - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Well done everyone and thank you for the effort – it is appreciated

From: Falkingham, Rebecca Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2025 1:22 PM To: media ; REES, Shannon Cc: O’Byrne, Tom ; Swainson, Matthew Subject: RE: FYI: Updated response to NewsCorp - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

perfect

Rebecca Falkingham CEO National Disability Insurance Agency E rebecca.falkingham@ndis.gov.au

The NDIA acknowledges the Traditional Custodians of Country throughout Australia and their continuing connection to land, sea and community. We pay our respects to them and their cultures and to Elders past, present and emerging.

From: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrele, Ben <Ben.redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrele@ndis.gov.au> On Behalf Of media Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2025 1:16 PM To: Falkingham, Rebecca Rebecca.Falkingham@ndis.gov.au; REES, Shannon Shannon.REES@ndis.gov.au; media media@ndis.gov.au Cc: O’Byrne, Tom ; Swainson, Matthew Matthew.Swainson@ndis.gov.au Subject: RE: FYI: Updated response to NewsCorp - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Thanks Rebecca … so response might read per below (with another addition)

The following can be attributed to an NDIA spokesperson:

This publication has been informed that it is incorrect to connect the NDIS in any way shape or form to Robodebt and doing so is unfounded, irresponsible and may cause unnecessary distress and harm.

The NDIS Act expressly requires human decision-making.

NDIS legislation that started in October 2024 provides greater clarity to what is, and what is not, a NDIS Support.

The NDIA strives to resolve matters with participants before they reach the ART. However, we will challenge cases when necessary to ensure taxpayer funds are used appropriately and not for items such as personal chefs, massage chairs, elective surgery, holidays, and other non-NDIS supports.

Background

The data you have provided around changes to decisions under review does not reflect decisions made via substantive Tribunal hearings.

In the recent quarter (Sep 1-Dec 31), there were 1895 new cases at the Tribunal, relating to 1871 participants. That figure represents just 0.27% of all participants (692,823) the Scheme was supporting at December 31.

It is incorrect – and there is no evidence – to suggest that “so many original decisions” made by Agency staff are wrong and “reversed/changed at Tribunal”.

98% of matters are resolved prior to a substantive hearing in the Tribunal. Around a quarter of these cases are dismissed by the ART or withdrawn by the applicant.

In most cases, matters are resolved by agreement between the Agency and the applicant. A change in the NDIA’s position prior to a substantive hearing is primarily the result of new information being provided as we work closely with participants earlier in the appeal process.

This is why the NDIA is investing heavily in new approaches to dispute resolution which are focused on providing earlier, quicker and fair outcomes for all participants.

This work includes:

  • proactive calls to participants prior to internal reviews to achieve earlier resolution of issues, as well as clarity and support for some participants who may then no longer require an internal review
  • the introduction of an early assessment team whose role is to work with participants to better understand their circumstances and discussion options for resolving prior to an ART hearing
  • a range of initiatives which have contributed to an overall decrease in external legal expenditure

While the Agency works to ensure any disputes are resolved as early as possible, it remains the right of all participants to seek a review in the Tribunal.

In October 2024, new NDIS legislation and rules commenced which provide greater clarity to what is, and what is not, a NDIS Support.

From: Falkingham, Rebecca Rebecca.Falkingham@ndis.gov.au Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2025 1:09 PM To: REES, Shannon Shannon.REES@ndis.gov.au; media media@ndis.gov.au Cc: O’Byrne, Tom ; Swainson, Matthew Matthew.Swainson@ndis.gov.au Subject: RE: FYI: Updated response to NewsCorp - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

My suggestion:

This publication has been informed that it is incorrect to connect the NDIS in any way shape or form to Robodebt and doing so is unfounded, irresponsible and may cause unnecessary distress and harm. The NDIS Act expressly requires human decision-making.

NDIS legislation that started in October 2024 provides greater clarity to what is, and what is not, a NDIS Support.

The NDIA strives to resolve matters with participants before they reach the ART. However, we will challenge cases when necessary to ensure taxpayer funds are used appropriately and not for items such as personal chefs, massage chairs, elective surgery, holidays, and other non-NDIS supports.

From: REES, Shannon Shannon.REES@ndis.gov.au Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2025 12:58 PM To: media media@ndis.gov.au; Falkingham, Rebecca Rebecca.Falkingham@ndis.gov.au Cc: O’Byrne, Tom ; Swainson, Matthew Matthew.Swainson@ndis.gov.au Subject: RE: FYI: Updated response to NewsCorp - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

I think we move this to the top as attributable and the rest as background (but don’t say that isnt attributable) just emphasise this is the on the record quote subject to RF/ MS okay on content

The NDIS Act expressly requires human decision-making.

NDIS legislation that started in October 2024 provides greater clarity to what is, and what is not, a NDIS Support.

The NDIA always works to try to resolve any matters with participants without going to the ART, but we will always reserve to ensure that taxpayer funds are not being spent on things like personal chefs, massage chairs, elective surgery, holidays and other items which are not NDIS Supports.

From: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrele, Ben <Ben.redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrele@ndis.gov.au> On Behalf Of media Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2025 12:31 PM To: Falkingham, Rebecca Rebecca.Falkingham@ndis.gov.au Cc: media media@ndis.gov.au; REES, Shannon Shannon.REES@ndis.gov.au; O’Byrne, Tom ; Swainson, Matthew Matthew.Swainson@ndis.gov.au Subject: FYI: Updated response to NewsCorp - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Hi again Rebecca,

As an update … this morning we’ve (Shannon) spoken to journalist to pushback on use of ‘Robodebt’.

David G and Dan F have also reviewed an additional line we’ve added the data re: percentage of ppts involved in ART matters. (see below)

We’ll provide the MO with visibility and return response to Julie.

Thanks, Ben

The following can be attributed to an NDIA spokesperson:

The data you have provided around changes to decisions under review does not reflect decisions made via substantive Tribunal hearings.

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98% of matters are resolved prior to a substantive hearing in the Tribunal. Around a quarter of these cases are dismissed by the ART or withdrawn by the applicant.

In most cases, matters are resolved by agreement between the Agency and the applicant. A change in the NDIA’s position prior to a substantive hearing is primarily the result of new information being provided as we work closely with participants earlier in the appeal process.

This is why the NDIA is investing heavily in new approaches to dispute resolution which are focused on providing earlier, quicker and fair outcomes for all participants.

This work includes:

  • proactive calls to participants prior to internal reviews to achieve earlier resolution of issues, as well as clarity and support for some participants who may then no longer require an internal review
  • the introduction of an early assessment team whose role is to work with participants to better understand their circumstances and discussion options for resolving prior to an ART hearing
  • a range of initiatives which have contributed to an overall decrease in external legal expenditure

While the Agency works to ensure any disputes are resolved as early as possible, it remains the right of all participants to seek a review in the Tribunal.

In October 2024, new NDIS legislation and rules commenced which provide greater clarity to what is, and what is not, a NDIS Support.

From: Falkingham, Rebecca Rebecca.Falkingham@ndis.gov.au Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2025 7:29 PM To: media media@ndis.gov.au Cc: media media@ndis.gov.au; REES, Shannon Shannon.REES@ndis.gov.au; O’Byrne, Tom; redacted, Julian <Julianredacted @ndis.gov.au> Subject: Re: FOR REVIEW: Media enquiry (NewsCorp) - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

This is an excellent response. My only suggestion is whether we can put percentage in to contextualise how few participants end up at ART.

From: redacted Ben <Benredacted @ndis.gov.au> on behalf of media media@ndis.gov.au Sent: Wednesday, March 5, 2025 7:22:12 PM To: Falkingham, Rebecca Rebecca.Falkingham@ndis.gov.au Cc: media media@ndis.gov.au; REES, Shannon Shannon.REES@ndis.gov.au; O’Byrne, Tom redacted, Julian <Julianredacted @ndis.gov.au> Subject: FOR REVIEW: Media enquiry (NewsCorp) - ART matters [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Good evening Rebecca, Please see below draft response for NewsCorp (Julie Cross) re ART processes.

If you’re comfortable, we’ll send to the MO (who are keen to see our response) but won’t return to Julie until we speak further with her.

Thanks,

Ben

| Media enquiry | |—|—| | Journalist/media outlet | Julie Cross (NewsCorp) | | Deadline for approval | ASAP please | | Journalist deadline to receive NDIA response | Thursday 10am (MO keen to see our response tonight) | | Enquiry topic | The NDIA and ART outcomes/approach | | Approvals to date | a/g Dir, Media
BM, Media
GM, Media
DCEO (Gov, Risk & Legal) — see attached | | Approvals to come | CEO | | Background information | • Journalist provided data (from ART) that compares 2021-22 figures with a 3-month period from 2024 (attached)
• NDIA media has spoken with journalist
• NDIA media (Shannon/Tom) will again contact journalist to press for accountability on the claims around Robodebt and remind them of their need to demonstrate evidence as to how automated decision-making can be linked to human-centred engagement. |

(Note: Table content continues on subsequent page)

  • Media will also explain how the questions and use of data suggest a picture of the approach to ART which is not accurate. | | Reasoning for response | To reiterate the person-centric approach the NDIA takes with ART matters and clarify data round hearings/ART outcomes. | | Enquiry/Questions | Hello,

I am looking for a comment about the rate of decision changes at tribunal - up from 58% to 70% in the last few years.

The NDIA also spent $37m on legal firms representing the agency at tribunals in 2023-2024.

Can you explain why so many original decisions by agency staff are wrong and have to be reversed/changed at tribunal?

Why are these “negotiations” between the agency and participants not happening before the tribunal stage, at review or appeal?

Why are you hiring barristers to take on people with a disability, who often can’t afford legal representation?

What do you say to accusations that experts hired by the agency are not independent and are there to make recommendations on saving money?

What do you say to accusations that the NDIA is the new robodebt, causing harm to participants? Isn’t this claim borne out by the number of changed decisions at tribunal?

My deadline is tomorrow at 10am.

Thanks, Julie | | Draft response | The following can be attributed to an NDIA spokesperson:

The data you have provided around changes to decisions under review does not reflect decisions made via substantive Tribunal hearings.

98% of matters are resolved prior to a substantive hearing in the Tribunal. Around a quarter of these cases are dismissed by the ART or withdrawn by the applicant.

In most cases, matters are resolved by agreement between the Agency and the applicant. A change in the NDIA’s position prior to a substantive hearing is primarily the result of new information being provided as we work closely with participants earlier in the appeal process.

This is why the NDIA is investing heavily in new approaches to dispute resolution which are focused on providing earlier, quicker and fair outcomes for all participants.

This work includes:

  • proactive calls to participants prior to internal reviews to achieve earlier resolution of issues, as well as clarity and support for some participants who may then no longer require an internal review
  • the introduction of an early assessment team whose role is to work with participants to better understand their circumstances and discussion options for resolving prior to an ART hearing
  • a range of initiatives which have contributed to an overall decrease in external legal expenditure

While the Agency works to ensure any disputes are resolved as early as possible, it remains the right of all participants to seek a review in the Tribunal.

In October 2024, new NDIS legislation and rules commenced which provide greater clarity to what is, and what is not, a NDIS Support. |

From: Cross, Julie julie.cross@news.com.au Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2025 11:03 AM To: media media@ndis.gov.au Subject: Media request

Hello, I am looking for a comment about the rate of decision changes at tribunal - up from 58% to 70% in the last few years.

The NDIA also spent $37m on legal firms representing the agency at tribunals in 2023-2024. Can you explain why so many original decisions by agency staff are wrong and have to be reversed/changed at tribunal?

Why are these “negotiations” between the agency and participants not happening before the tribunal stage, at review or appeal?

Why are you hiring barristers to take on people with a disability, who often can’t afford legal representation? What do you say to accusations that experts hired by the agency are not independent and are there to make recommendations on saving money? What do you say to accusations that the NDIA is the new robodebt, causing harm to participants? Isn’t this claim borne out by the number of changed decisions at tribunal? My deadline is tomorrow at 10am. Thanks, Julie

JULIE CROSS Social Affairs Reporter

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From: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - ir, Ben on behalf of media Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2025 3:48 PM To: Flowers, Daniel; Swainson, Matthew Cc: REES, Shannon; O’Byrne, Tom; media Subject: NewsCorp (ART): Follow-up Qs [SEC=OFFICIAL] Attachments: image0.jpeg

Hey Dan/all,

Calling on your expertise … again.

Appreciate any guidance on the below follow-up Qs from the journalist … I think we’ll be able to reply informally to Julie to provide her with some clarity.

(Have attached the ART table she’s referring to with the 70%)

Thanks, Ben

From: Cross, Julie Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2025 4:05 PM To: media Subject: Re: Media request [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Thanks Ben,

I have a couple of Qs please?

Background

The data you have provided around changes to decisions under review does not reflect decisions made via substantive Tribunal hearings. Does the 70% figure I provided include results for all finalised lodgements, so those that are resolved before a hearing? Or is the 70% related to only those that are heard in a tribunal?

98% of matters (Is that 98% of matters lodged in the tribunal and included in that table I shared) are resolved prior to a substantive hearing in the Tribunal. Around a quarter of these cases are dismissed by the ART or withdrawn by the applicant.

In most cases, matters are resolved by agreement between the Agency and the applicant. A change in the NDIA’s position prior to a substantive hearing is primarily the result of new information being provided as we work closely with participants earlier in the appeal process. Yes, I understand there are case conferences where new evidence comes up. Are you saying when referring to the 70% of decisions changing, that some of that happens prior to a hearing?

Thanks,

Julie

JULIE CROSS Social Affairs Reporter

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On Thu, 6 Mar 2025 at 14:06, media media@ndis.gov.au wrote:

Hi Julie,

Please see our response below.

Thanks,

Ben

The following can be attributed to an NDIA spokesperson:

This publication has been informed that it is incorrect to connect the NDIS in any way, shape or form to Robodebt and doing so is unfounded, irresponsible and may cause unnecessary distress and harm.

The NDIS Act expressly requires human decision-making.

NDIS legislation that started in October 2024 provides greater clarity to what is, and what is not, a NDIS Support.

The NDIA strives to resolve matters with participants before they reach the ART. However, we will challenge cases when necessary to ensure taxpayer funds are used appropriately and not for items such as personal chefs, massage chairs, elective surgery, holidays, and other non-NDIS supports.

Background

The data you have provided around changes to decisions under review does not reflect decisions made via substantive Tribunal hearings.

In the recent quarter (Sep 1-Dec 31), there were 1895 new cases at the Tribunal, relating to 1871 participants. That figure represents just 0.27% of all participants (692,823) the Scheme was supporting at December 31.

It is incorrect – and there is no evidence – to suggest that “so many original decisions” made by Agency staff are wrong and “reversed/changed at Tribunal”.

98% of matters are resolved prior to a substantive hearing in the Tribunal. Around a quarter of these cases are dismissed by the ART or withdrawn by the applicant.

In most cases, matters are resolved by agreement between the Agency and the applicant. A change in the NDIA’s position prior to a substantive hearing is primarily the result of new information being provided as we work closely with participants earlier in the appeal process.

This is why the NDIA is investing heavily in new approaches to dispute resolution which are focused on providing earlier, quicker and fair outcomes for all participants.

This work includes:

  • proactive calls to participants prior to internal reviews to achieve earlier resolution of issues, as well as clarity and support for some participants who may then no longer require an internal review
  • the introduction of an early assessment team whose role is to work with participants to better understand their circumstances and discussion options for resolving prior to an ART hearing
  • a range of initiatives which have contributed to an overall decrease in external legal expenditure

While the Agency works to ensure any disputes are resolved as early as possible, it remains the right of all participants to seek a review in the Tribunal.

In October 2024, new NDIS legislation and rules commenced which provide greater clarity to what is, and what is not, a NDIS Support.

From: Cross, Julie julie.cross@news.com.au Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2025 11:03 AM To: media media@ndis.gov.au Subject: Media request

Hello,

I am looking for a comment about the rate of decision changes at tribunal - up from 58% to 70% in the last few years.

The NDIA also spent $37m on legal firms representing the agency at tribunals in 2023-2024.

Can you explain why so many original decisions by agency staff are wrong and have to be reversed/changed at tribunal?

Why are these “negotiations” between the agency and participants not happening before the tribunal stage, at review or appeal?

Why are you hiring barristers to take on people with a disability, who often can’t afford legal representation?

What do you say to accusations that experts hired by the agency are not independent and are there to make recommendations on saving money?

What do you say to accusations that the NDIA is the new robodebt, causing harm to participants? Isn’t this claim borne out by the number of changed decisions at tribunal?

My deadline is tomorrow at 10am.

Thanks,

Julie

JULIE CROSS

Social Affairs Reporter

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Administrative Appeals Tribunal AAT Caseload Report

For the period 1 July 2024 to 13 October 2024

Division/Caseload Lodgements Finalisations On hand at period end Proportion of applications finalised within 12 months of lodgement¹ Median time to finalise (weeks)¹ Proportion of applications in relation to which decision under review changed²
Freedom of Information 51 38 169 76% 28 29%
General 1,121 1,144 2,707 74% 29 27%
Australian citizenship 126 147 274 85% 24 29%
Centrelink (2nd review) 231 308 573 79% 23 32%
Visa-related decisions relating to character 80 52 137 83% 11 29%
Workers’ Compensation 388 396 1,290 56% 48 29%
Other 296 241 433 87% 14 15%
Migration & Refugee 17,652 8,053 72,786 27% 175 23%
Migration 11,797 3,066 31,310 49% 55 44%
Refugee 5,855 4,987 41,476 14% 218 10%
National Disability Insurance Scheme 2,095 1,263 3,781 75% 28 70%
Security 2 0 4 - - -
Small Business Taxation 77 120 484 41% 61 62%
Social Services & Child Support 2,592 2,522 1,902 99% 11 26%
Centrelink (1st review) 2,007 1,964 1,314 99% 10 23%
Child Support 521 504 545 98% 14 38%
Paid Parental Leave 64 54 43 100% 11 19%
Taxation & Commercial 246 232 1,533 60% 38 56%
Taxation 221 190 1,449 56% 38 61%
Other 25 42 84 70% 39 30%
Veterans’ Appeals 52 63 153 48% 60 35%
AAT 23,888 13,435 83,539 50%³ 52 29%

¹ Median time to finalise is measured in weeks from lodgement to finalisation.

² These figures relate to applications for review of decision and do not include other types of applications that may be made under the AAT Act or related legislation. The decision under review is treated as having been changed if the Tribunal varies or sets aside the decision or remits the matter to the decision-maker for reconsideration by way of a decision under section 43 of the Administrative Appeals Tribunal Act 1975 (AAT Act) or Section 349 or 415 of the Migration Act 1958 or by way of a decision made in accordance with terms of agreement reached by the parties under section 34D or 42D of the AAT Act.

³ The Portfolio Budget Statement for the AAT sets out a performance criterion target of 75% of applications finalised within 12 months of lodgement.

Notes: This report has been produced for publication on the Administrative Appeals Tribunal (ART) website. For re-publication or other use, please contact the Reports Requests Mailbox@aat.gov.au to discuss intended use and ensure the accurate representation and communication of these figures. Figures may vary slightly between reports due to data changes that may occur between when reports are run.

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From: Flowers, Daniel Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2025 3:59 PM To: media; Swainson, Matthew Cc: REES, Shannon; O’Byrne, Tom Subject: RE: NewsCorp (ART): Follow-up Qs [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Hi Ben,

Responses below. Let me know if you want to discuss.

Thanks,

Daniel Flowers Acting General Manager, Chief Counsel National Disability Insurance Agency M redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material E daniel.flowers@ndis.gov.au

The NDIA acknowledges the Traditional Custodians of Country throughout Australia and their continuing connection to land, sea and community. We pay our respects to them and their cultures and to Elders past, present and emerging.

From: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrele, Ben On Behalf Of media Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2025 4:18 PM To: Flowers, Daniel ; Swainson, Matthew Cc: REES, Shannon ; O’Byrne, Tom ; media Subject: NewsCorp (ART): Follow-up Qs [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Hey Dan/all,

Calling on your expertise … again.

Appreciate any guidance on the below follow-up Qs from the journalist … I think we’ll be able to reply informally to Julie to provide her with some clarity.

(Have attached the ART table she’s referring to with the 70%)

Thanks, Ben

From: Cross, Julie julie.cross@news.com.au Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2025 4:05 PM To: media media@ndis.gov.au Subject: Re: Media request [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Thanks Ben,

I have a couple of Qs please?

Background

The data you have provided around changes to decisions under review does not reflect decisions made via substantive Tribunal hearings. Does the 70% figure I provided include results for all finalised lodgements, so those that are resolved before a hearing? Or is the 70% related to only those that are heard in a tribunal?[Flowers, Daniel] You will need to ask this question to the ART as it is not NDIA’s data. We suspect would include matters resolved by agreement prior to substantive hearing as well as decisions at hearing, however, it is unclear if it includes matters that have been dismissed or withdrawn in the baseline.

98% of matters (Is that 98% of matters lodged in the tribunal and included in that table I shared) [Flowers, Daniel] Yes. Finalisations would include matters resolved by consent, withdrawn or dismissed. are resolved prior to a substantive hearing in the Tribunal. Around a quarter of these cases are dismissed by the ART or withdrawn by the applicant.

In most cases, matters are resolved by agreement between the Agency and the applicant. A change in the NDIA’s position prior to a substantive hearing is primarily the result of new information being provided as we work closely with participants earlier in the appeal process. Yes, I understand there are case conferences where new evidence comes up. Are you saying when referring to the 70% of decisions changing, that some of that happens prior to a hearing?[Flowers, Daniel] Yes. A significant proportion of the 70% would be resolved prior to hearing. We again note this is the ART’s data.

Thanks,

Julie

JULIE CROSS Social Affairs Reporter

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On Thu, 6 Mar 2025 at 14:06, media media@ndis.gov.au wrote:

Hi Julie,

Please see our response below.

Thanks,

Ben

The following can be attributed to an NDIA spokesperson:

This publication has been informed that it is incorrect to connect the NDIS in any way, shape or form to Robodebt and doing so is unfounded, irresponsible and may cause unnecessary distress and harm.

The NDIS Act expressly requires human decision-making.

NDIS legislation that started in October 2024 provides greater clarity to what is, and what is not, a NDIS Support.

The NDIA strives to resolve matters with participants before they reach the ART. However, we will challenge cases when necessary to ensure taxpayer funds are used appropriately and not for items such as personal chefs, massage chairs, elective surgery, holidays, and other non-NDIS supports.

Background

The data you have provided around changes to decisions under review does not reflect decisions made via substantive Tribunal hearings.

In the recent quarter (Sep 1-Dec 31), there were 1895 new cases at the Tribunal, relating to 1871 participants. That figure represents just 0.27% of all participants (692,823) the Scheme was supporting at December 31.

It is incorrect – and there is no evidence – to suggest that “so many original decisions” made by Agency staff are wrong and “reversed/changed at Tribunal”.

98% of matters are resolved prior to a substantive hearing in the Tribunal. Around a quarter of these cases are dismissed by the ART or withdrawn by the applicant.

In most cases, matters are resolved by agreement between the Agency and the applicant. A change in the NDIA’s position prior to a substantive hearing is primarily the result of new information being provided as we work closely with participants earlier in the appeal process.

This is why the NDIA is investing heavily in new approaches to dispute resolution which are focused on providing earlier, quicker and fair outcomes for all participants.

This work includes:

  • proactive calls to participants prior to internal reviews to achieve earlier resolution of issues, as well as clarity and support for some participants who may then no longer require an internal review
  • the introduction of an early assessment team whose role is to work with participants to better understand their circumstances and discussion options for resolving prior to an ART hearing
  • a range of initiatives which have contributed to an overall decrease in external legal expenditure

While the Agency works to ensure any disputes are resolved as early as possible, it remains the right of all participants to seek a review in the Tribunal.

In October 2024, new NDIS legislation and rules commenced which provide greater clarity to what is, and what is not, a NDIS Support.

From: Cross, Julie julie.cross@news.com.au Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2025 11:03 AM To: media media@ndis.gov.au Subject: Media request

Hello,

I am looking for a comment about the rate of decision changes at tribunal - up from 58% to 70% in the last few years.

The NDIA also spent $37m on legal firms representing the agency at tribunals in 2023-2024.

Can you explain why so many original decisions by agency staff are wrong and have to be reversed/changed at tribunal?

Why are these

M redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material E julie.cross@news.com.au

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FOI 24/25-1528 DOCUMENT 52

From: redacted Daniel on behalf of media

Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2025 5:26 PM

To: O’Byrne, Tom; media; redacted Ben

Cc: REES, Shannon

Subject: RE: NewsCorp (ART): Follow-up Qs [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Hi there, Tom.

Ben has popped off for the day.

If there’s a sense of urgency to go back to Julie tonight, I’m happy to do that, or follow your direction on you making the call, or we can pick it up in the morning?

Regards,

Dan.

From: O’Byrne, Tom

Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2025 5:48 PM

To: media; redacted, Ben

Cc: REES, Shannon

Subject: RE: NewsCorp (ART): Follow-up Qs [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Lets ask Julie is first thing tomorrow is okay (gives us an excuse to find out about publishing). Let me know

Tom O’Byrne

Branch Manager

Media | Strategic Communications Division National Disability Insurance Agency

E: tom.o’byrne@ndis.gov.au

redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material

From: redacted, Daniel On Behalf Of media

Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2025 5:56 PM

To: O’Byrne, Tom ; media redacted. Ben

Cc: REES, Shannon

Subject: RE: NewsCorp (ART): Follow-up Qs [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Hi there, Tom.

Ben has popped off for the day.

lf there’s a sense of urgency to go back to Julie tonight, I’m happy to do that, or follow your direction on you making the call, or we can pick it up in the morning? Regards,

Dan.

FOI 24/25-1528 DOCUMENT 54

From: redacted Daniel on behalf of media

Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2025 5:57 PM

To: O’Byrne, Tom; media; redacted Ben

Cc: REES, Shannon

Subject: RE: NewsCorp (ART): Follow-up Qs [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Hi, Tom.

Cheers, no problem at all.

l’ve reached out to Julie (also texted) and will come back to you as soon as | hear back from her. Regards,

Dan.

From: O’Byrne, Tom

Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2025 5:18 PM

To: media ; redacted, Ben

Cc: REES, Shannon

Subject: RE: NewsCorp (ART): Follow-up Qs [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Lets ask Julie is first thing tomorrow is okay (gives us an excuse to find out about publishing). Let me know

Tom O’Byrne

Branch Manager

Media | Strategic Communications Division National Disability Insurance Agency

E: tom.o’byrne@ndis.gov.au

M: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material

From: redacted, Daniel <Daniel.redacted @ndis.gov.au> On Behalf Of media

Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2025 5:56 PM

To: O’Byrne, Tom ; media media@ndis.gov.au; redacted, Ben <Benredacted @ndis.gov.au> Cc: REES, Shannon Shannon.REES@ndis.gov.au

Subject: RE: NewsCorp (ART): Follow-up Qs [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Hi there, Tom.

Ben has popped off for the day.

If there’s a sense of urgency to go back to Julie tonight, I’m happy to do that, or follow your direction on you making the call, or we can pick it up in the morning? Regards,

Dan.

FOI 24/25-1528 DOCUMENT 55

From: redacted Daniel on behalf of media

Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2025 9:24 PM

To: O’Byrne, Tom; media; redacted Ben

Cc: REES, Shannon

Subject: RE: NewsCorp (ART): Follow-up Qs [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Hi, Tom.

Just updating on Julie Cross.

Julie came back to me and advised anytime tomorrow would be fine as her feature is on hold now due to cyclone coverage.

Regards,

Dan.

From: O’Byrne, Tom

Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2025 5:18 PM

To: media ; redacted, Ben

Cc: REES, Shannon

Subject: RE: NewsCorp (ART): Follow-up Qs [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Lets ask Julie is first thing tomorrow is okay (gives us an excuse to find out about publishing). Let me know

Tom O’Byrne

Branch Manager

Media | Strategic Communications Division National Disability Insurance Agency

E: tom.o’byrne@ndis.gov.au

M: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material

From: redacted, Daniel <Daniel.redacted @ndis.gov.au> On Behalf Of media

Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2025 5:56 PM

To: O’Byrne, Tom ; media media@ndis.gov.au; redacted, Ben <Benredacted @ndis.gov.au> Cc: REES, Shannon Shannon.REES@ndis.gov.au

Subject: RE: NewsCorp (ART): Follow-up Qs [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Hi there, Tom.

Ben has popped off for the day.

If there’s a sense of urgency to go back to Julie tonight, I’m happy to do that, or follow your direction on you making the call, or we can pick it up in the morning? Regards,

Dan.

FOI 24/25-1528 DOCUMENT 56

From: O’Byrne, Tom

Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2025 9:25 PM

To: media; redacted, Ben

Cc: REES, Shannon

Subject: Re: NewsCorp (ART): Follow-up Qs [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Thanks Dan, appreciated. Have a good night.

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From: Daniel on behalf of media

Sent: Thursday, March 6, 2025 9:53:55 PM

To: O’Byrne, Tom ; media redacted, Ben

Cc: REES, Shannon

Subject: RE: NewsCorp (ART): Follow-up Qs [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Hi, Tom.

Just updating on Julie Cross.

Julie came back to me and advised anytime tomorrow would be fine as her feature is on hold now due to cyclone coverage.

Regards,

Dan.

From: O’Byrne, Tom

Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2025 5:18 PM

To: media redacted, Ben

Cc: REES, Shannon

Subject: RE: NewsCorp (ART): Follow-up Qs [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Lets ask Julie is first thing tomorrow is okay (gives us an excuse to find out about publishing). Let me know

Tom O’Byrne

Branch Manager

Media | Strategic Communications Division National Disability Insurance Agency

E: tom.o’byrne@ndis.gov.au

M: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material

From: redacted, Daniel <Daniel.redacted @ndis.gov.au> On Behalf Of media

Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2025 5:56 PM

To: O’Byrne, Tom ; media media@ndis.gov.au; redacted, Ben <Benredacted @ndis.gov.au>

Cc: REES, Shannon Shannon.REES@ndis.gov.au

Subject: RE: NewsCorp (ART): Follow-up Qs [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Hi there, Tom.

Ben has popped off for the day.

If there’s a sense of urgency to go back to Julie tonight, I’m happy to do that, or follow your direction on you making the call, or we can pick it up in the morning? Regards,

Dan.

FOI 24/25-1528 DOCUMENT 57

From: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant m, Daniel on behalf of media Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2025 9:26 PM To: O’Byrne, Tom; media; redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - ir, Ben Cc: REES, Shannon Subject: RE: NewsCorp (ART): Follow-up Qs [SEC=OFFICIAL]

My pleasure, Tom.

Cheers and same in return.

Dan.

From: O’Byrne, Tom Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2025 8:55 PM To: media ; redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrele, Ben Cc: REES, Shannon Subject: Re: NewsCorp (ART): Follow-up Qs [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Thanks Dan, appreciated. Have a good night.

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From: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant mate, Daniel <Daniel.redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant mate @ndis.gov.au> on behalf of media media@ndis.gov.au Sent: Thursday, March 6, 2025 9:53:55 PM To: O’Byrne, Tom ; media media@ndis.gov.au; redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrele, Ben <Ben.redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrele@ndis.gov.au> Cc: REES, Shannon Shannon.REES@ndis.gov.au Subject: RE: NewsCorp (ART): Follow-up Qs [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Hi, Tom.

Just updating on Julie Cross.

Julie came back to me and advised anytime tomorrow would be fine as her feature is on hold now due to cyclone coverage.

Regards,

Dan.

From: O’Byrne, Tom Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2025 5:18 PM To: media media@ndis.gov.au; redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrele, Ben <Ben.redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrele@ndis.gov.au> Cc: REES, Shannon Shannon.REES@ndis.gov.au Subject: RE: NewsCorp (ART): Follow-up Qs [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Lets ask Julie is first thing tomorrow is okay (gives us an excuse to find out about publishing). Let me know

Tom O’Byrne Branch Manager Media | Strategic Communications Division National Disability Insurance Agency E: tom.o’byrne@ndis.gov.au M: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material

The NDIA acknowledges the Traditional Custodians of Country throughout Australia and their continuing connection to land, sea and community. We pay our respects to them and their cultures and to Elders past, present and emerging.

From: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant mate, Daniel <Daniel.redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant mate @ndis.gov.au> On Behalf Of media Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2025 5:56 PM To: O’Byrne, Tom ; media media@ndis.gov.au; redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrele, Ben <Ben.redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrele@ndis.gov.au>

Cc: REES, Shannon Shannon.REES@ndis.gov.au Subject: RE: NewsCorp (ART): Follow-up Qs [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Hi there, Tom.

Ben has popped off for the day.

If there’s a sense of urgency to go back to Julie tonight, I’m happy to do that, or follow your direction on you making the call, or we can pick it up in the morning?

Regards,

Dan.

FOI 24/25-1528 DOCUMENT 58

From: Cross, Julie julie.cross@news.com.au Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2025 3:35 PM To: media Subject: Re: Media request [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Categories: Active Media Enquiry

Thanks Ben,

I have a couple of Qs please?

Background

The data you have provided around changes to decisions under review does not reflect decisions made via substantive Tribunal hearings. Does the 70% figure I provided include results for all finalised lodgements, so those that are resolved before a hearing? Or is the 70% related to only those that are heard in a tribunal?

98% of matters (Is that 98% of matters lodged in the tribunal and included in that table I shared) are resolved prior to a substantive hearing in the Tribunal. Around a quarter of these cases are dismissed by the ART or withdrawn by the applicant.

In most cases, matters are resolved by agreement between the Agency and the applicant. A change in the NDIA’s position prior to a substantive hearing is primarily the result of new information being provided as we work closely with participants earlier in the appeal process. Yes, I understand there are case conferences where new evidence comes up. Are you saying when referring to the 70% of decisions changing, that some of that happens prior to a hearing?

Thanks,

Julie

JULIE CROSS Social Affairs Reporter

M m m

2 Holt Street Surry Hills NSW 2010 GPO Box - GPO Box 7002, Sydney 2001 M redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material E julie.cross@news.com.au

On Thu, 6 Mar 2025 at 14:06, media media@ndis.gov.au wrote:

Hi Julie,

Please see our response below.

Thanks,

Ben

The following can be attributed to an NDIA spokesperson:

This publication has been informed that it is incorrect to connect the NDIS in any way, shape or form to Robodebt and doing so is unfounded, irresponsible and may cause unnecessary distress and harm.

The NDIS Act expressly requires human decision-making.

NDIS legislation that started in October 2024 provides greater clarity to what is, and what is not, a NDIS Support.

The NDIA strives to resolve matters with participants before they reach the ART. However, we will challenge cases when necessary to ensure taxpayer funds are used appropriately and not for items such as personal chefs, massage chairs, elective surgery, holidays, and other non-NDIS supports.

Background

The data you have provided around changes to decisions under review does not reflect decisions made via substantive Tribunal hearings.

In the recent quarter (Sep 1-Dec 31), there were 1895 new cases at the Tribunal, relating to 1871 participants. That figure represents just 0.27% of all participants (692,823) the Scheme was supporting at December 31.

It is incorrect – and there is no evidence – to suggest that “so many original decisions” made by Agency staff are wrong and “reversed/changed at Tribunal”.

98% of matters are resolved prior to a substantive hearing in the Tribunal. Around a quarter of these cases are dismissed by the ART or withdrawn by the applicant.

In most cases, matters are resolved by agreement between the Agency and the applicant. A change in the NDIA’s position prior to a substantive hearing is primarily the result of new information being provided as we work closely with participants earlier in the appeal process.

This is why the NDIA is investing heavily in new approaches to dispute resolution which are focused on providing earlier, quicker and fair outcomes for all participants.

This work includes:

  • proactive calls to participants prior to internal reviews to achieve earlier resolution of issues, as well as clarity and support for some participants who may then no longer require an internal review
  • the introduction of an early assessment team whose role is to work with participants to better understand their circumstances and discussion options for resolving prior to an ART hearing
  • a range of initiatives which have contributed to an overall decrease in external legal expenditure

While the Agency works to ensure any disputes are resolved as early as possible, it remains the right of all participants to seek a review in the Tribunal.

In October 2024, new NDIS legislation and rules commenced which provide greater clarity to what is, and what is not, a NDIS Support.

From: Cross, Julie julie.cross@news.com.au Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2025 11:03 AM To: media media@ndis.gov.au Subject: Media request

Hello,

I am looking for a comment about the rate of decision changes at tribunal - up from 58% to 70% in the last few years.

The NDIA also spent $37m on legal firms representing the agency at tribunals in 2023-2024.

Can you explain why so many original decisions by agency staff are wrong and have to be reversed/changed at tribunal?

Why are these

FOI 24/25-1528 DOCUMENT 60

From: Cross, Julie julie.cross@news.com.au Sent: Saturday, 8 March 2025 9:01 AM To: media Subject: Re: Media request [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Ok thanks Tom.

JULIE CROSS Social Affairs Reporter

M m m

2 Holt Street Surry Hills NSW 2010 GPO Box - GPO Box 7002, Sydney 2001 M redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material E julie.cross@news.com.au

On Fri, 7 Mar 2025 at 7:05 pm, media media@ndis.gov.au wrote:

Hey Julie,

Noting you have spoken to Shannon a few times, let us know if you’d like to speak further on the below (I understand the article has been delayed from this weekend until later).

For your background only - while we can’t speak to data which is not Agency data, that 98 per cent figure we provided reflects all ART matters with the 98 per cent being the portion of those resolved prior to a substantive hearing. Said another way, 98 per cent includes matters resolved, dismissed or withdrawn but not those going to substantive hearings.

Cheers,

Tom

Tom O’Byrne

Branch Manager

Media | Strategic Communications Division

National Disability Insurance Agency

E: tom.o’byrne@ndis.gov.au M: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material

The NDIA acknowledges the Traditional Custodians of Country throughout Australia and their continuing connection to land, sea and community. We pay our respects to them and their cultures and to Elders past, present and emerging.

From: Cross, Julie julie.cross@news.com.au Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2025 4:05 PM To: media media@ndis.gov.au Subject: Re: Media request [SEC=OFFICIAL]

Thanks Ben,

I have a couple of Qs please?

Background

The data you have provided around changes to decisions under review does not reflect decisions made via substantive Tribunal hearings. Does the 70% figure I provided include results for all finalised lodgements, so those that are resolved before a hearing? Or is the 70% related to only those that are heard in a tribunal?

98% of matters (Is that 98% of matters lodged in the tribunal and included in that table I shared) are resolved prior to a substantive hearing in the Tribunal. Around a quarter of these cases are dismissed by the ART or withdrawn by the applicant.

In most cases, matters are resolved by agreement between the Agency and the applicant. A change in the NDIA’s position prior to a substantive hearing is primarily the result of new information being provided as we work closely with participants earlier in the appeal process. Yes, I understand there are case conferences where new evidence comes up. Are you saying when referring to the 70% of decisions changing, that some of that happens prior to a hearing?

Thanks,

Julie

JULIE CROSS

Social Affairs Reporter

M redacted m m

2 Holt Street Surry Hills NSW 2010 GPO Box - GPO Box 7002, Sydney 2001 M redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - irrelevant material E julie.cross@news.com.au

On Thu, 6 Mar 2025 at 14:06, media media@ndis.gov.au wrote:

Hi Julie,

Please see our response below.

Thanks,

Ben

The following can be attributed to an NDIA spokesperson:

This publication has been informed that it is incorrect to connect the NDIS in any way, shape or form to Robodebt and doing so is unfounded, irresponsible and may cause unnecessary distress and harm.

The NDIS Act expressly requires human decision-making.

NDIS legislation that started in October 2024 provides greater clarity to what is, and what is not, a NDIS Support.

The NDIA strives to resolve matters with participants before they reach the ART. However, we will challenge cases when necessary to ensure taxpayer funds are used appropriately and not for items such as personal chefs, massage chairs, elective surgery, holidays, and other non-NDIS supports.

Background

The data you have provided around changes to decisions under review does not reflect decisions made via substantive Tribunal hearings.

In the recent quarter (Sep 1-Dec 31), there were 1895 new cases at the Tribunal, relating to 1871 participants. That figure represents just 0.27% of all participants (692,823) the Scheme was supporting at December 31.

It is incorrect – and there is no evidence – to suggest that “so many original decisions” made by Agency staff are wrong and “reversed/changed at Tribunal”.

98% of matters are resolved prior to a substantive hearing in the Tribunal. Around a quarter of these cases are dismissed by the ART or withdrawn by the applicant.

In most cases, matters are resolved by agreement between the Agency and the applicant. A change in the NDIA’s position prior to a substantive hearing is primarily the result of new information being provided as we work closely with participants earlier in the appeal process.

This is why the NDIA is investing heavily in new approaches to dispute resolution which are focused on providing earlier, quicker and fair outcomes for all participants.

This work includes:

  • proactive calls to participants prior to internal reviews to achieve earlier resolution of issues, as well as clarity and support for some participants who may then no longer require an internal review
  • the introduction of an early assessment team whose role is to work with participants to better understand their circumstances and discussion options for resolving prior to an ART hearing
  • a range of initiatives which have contributed to an overall decrease in external legal expenditure

While the Agency works to ensure any disputes are resolved as early as possible, it remains the right of all participants to seek a review in the Tribunal.

In October 2024, new NDIS legislation and rules commenced which provide greater clarity to what is, and what is not, a NDIS Support.

From: Cross, Julie julie.cross@news.com.au Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2025 11:03 AM To: media media@ndis.gov.au Subject: Media request

Hello,

I am looking for a comment about the rate of decision changes at tribunal - up from 58% to 70% in the last few years.

The NDIA also spent $37m on legal firms representing the agency at tribunals in 2023-2024.

Can you explain why so many original decisions by agency staff are wrong and have to be reversed/changed at tribunal?

Why are these

FOI 24/25-1528 DOCUMENT 61

From: REES, Shannon Sent: Wednesday, 2 April 2025 11:40 AM To: redacted: s22(1)(a)(ii) - , Ashley Subject: FW: Concern [SEC=UNOFFICIAL]

From: REES, Shannon Sent: Monday, 10 March 2025 2:29 PM To: julie.cross@news.com.au Subject: Concern

Hi Julie. Would appreciate the following being considered by your editor.

We have significant concerns about the proposed article connecting the NDIS in any way to Robodebt as the operation of the Scheme always and is required to by law to have human decision making imbedded in the planning process.

The group who the quote is attributable has a focus on trying to connect the scheme with the Robodebt. This is completely unfounded and I am seeking that the publication verify evidence there is a connection to substantiate the quote or remove.

The group has an agenda to couple the scheme with Robodebt and in publishing that connection the paper would be progressing this agenda where there is no evidence of a link.

In fact the contrary. We have to involve human decision making by law.

Continuing to include the reference will also unnecessarily concern people - which in our view is irresponsible.

Please remove the reference.

Shannon

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